Mastro indicted

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why? He isn't disparaging anyone or company, imo.

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

[earlywynnfan]

Is anyone but me curious as to why Mastro only had one count, where the other two had multiple? I wonder if Allen is a bit of a fall guy here (no, not even remotely saying he's innocent.)

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[thebigtrain]

Calvindog. I agree with you. I was just bring out the point that those people that want to see him behind( bars )I feel are not going to be happy. I think he will be sent to a Federal camp (club fed) for around 2 and half years then a half way house. He has already made his deal and will go through the motions. In about four to six months he will be sentenced. You have to go through all this stuff until you plead guilty. If the lawyers on here will verify that it would be nice. Calvin if you read my thread I think I said the same thing about him as you did.
I would not take the bet. He is going away be assured.

I would not be surprised that restitution will be part of the sentencing. That will be a very long list of victims!

I'm a lawyer, and can tell you it will be for a lot longer than 2.5 yrs. They tend to go very tough on postal fraud. Bet he ends up doing at least 7 to 10, maybe more.

Bet Coach's Corner is crapping pants right now. I'll bet the FBI has an eye on them too, and will pounce when ready.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone but me curious as to why Mastro only had one count, where the other two had multiple? I wonder if Allen is a bit of a fall guy here (no, not even remotely saying he's innocent.)

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Perhaps cause Mastro is playing ball w/ the feds and spilling his guts on the other two.

[E93]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone but me curious as to why Mastro only had one count, where the other two had multiple? I wonder if Allen is a bit of a fall guy here (no, not even remotely saying he's innocent.)

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

Maybe because Mastro has already pled out and reached deal with the Feds. The others may just be beginning that process. Just a guess.
JimB

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

Is anyone but me curious as to why Mastro only had one count, where the other two had multiple? I wonder if Allen is a bit of a fall guy here (no, not even remotely saying he's innocent.)

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

the counts were mail fraud, and doug and mark sent more stuff through the mail and email than mastro, who they only have a charge of sending one thing through the mail. the feds can only charge people with federal crimes.

[calvindog]

Good lord.

Mastro was charged differently because he's cooperating against Dougie.

[travrosty]

The state could feel free to file numerous charges that fall outside of federal jurisdiction against the principals of which they have evidence of wrondoing if they choose.

[calvindog]

No soap radio.

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by calvindog

No soap radio.

like

[shelly]

You are correct but normally the feds get to do what they want. The states do not have the money or the time. If the fed get fines the state shares at no cost.

[travrosty]

heres something to chew, and you can believe in me because i watch law and order a lot.


they only charged mastro with one count because he is pleading guilty. they dont need any more numerous "insurance" indictments against him since he agreed to plead guilty. the feds are probably interested in getting these guys a couple-few years in the pen so this one charge will accomplish that because it's 100 percent stuck and agreed to by mastro.

since allen is fighting the charges, they charged him with the entire book, as many charges as they could, so in case a couple fail, they will stand a good chance to prove at least one against him. and whether he gets found guilty of one charge or 14, its very probably he will see about the same time as mastro, a couple-few years as the convictions can be served concurrently if the judge sentences it that way, instead of consecutive. they just needed as many charges as they could, for "insurance" purposes. Mastro only needed one because it was for sure.

also, mastro's charge was different than the 14 for allen, they didnt want to charge mastro with one of the same ones they charged allen with, because they didnt want to give allen's lawyers a chance to point to mastro's guilty plea to help get allen off of the exact same charge by claiming mastro was behind it and here is mastro's guilty plea for that charge.

so that's another reason to charge mastro with only one charge, to make allens lawyers work for it and not point to a bunch of guilty pleas by mastro that could help allen get off of the hook for those charges if he were charged for the same violations. They probably picked one charge for mastro that was dissimilar as possible to any they charged allen with, to make it easier to pin allen on the ones he was charged with without allen pointing to mastro saying he was behind it and here is his guilty pleas.

mastro's charge was probably well thought out to show that it was done by him alone, a one-off, with allen not involved in it, and then have mastro say that the rest of them were allen's doing alone or at least with allen's full knowledge and consent. but we will see.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

To me that was absolutely a blanket statement. And even IF it was meant towards the recent indicted people it's nothing that isn't already front line news and in several threads on this board. I try not to force hands when I don't need to, but definitely don't mind doing it if it does need to be done.....as evidenced this morning in another thread. In that one, the person that crossed the line had already been spoken with by me, on the phone, before that. He knew if he kept it up then I would make the decision for him, which I did.

[barrysloate]

I understand.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If he says "by the time you're indicted, you're done..."YOU ARE GOING TO PRISON" wouldn't that be disparaging the defendants? Perhaps you don't agree.

Now we're worried about 'disparaging the defendants?' Really? Barry -- worry about the victims, not the guys who ripped us all off.

[barrysloate]

I didn't say that Jeff...I was quoting the poster who didn't put up his name. That quote has nothing to do with me.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I didn't say that Jeff...I was quoting the poster who didn't put up his name. That quote has nothing to do with me.

Barry, I'm referring to the part of your post that is not in quotes, i.e. your comment.

[barrysloate]

But my point was about the OP putting his name up with the post. I had no opinion one way or the other about what he said. The only issue was that he shouldn't post anonymously. And that's it. No need to comment about this further.

[calvindog]

I'm more concerned with the two biggest crooks in our hobby than the issue of posting anonymously about the two biggest crooks in our hobby.

[barrysloate]

As well you should be.

[BigJJ]

I am very curious to learn - and I hope we will - exactly which items in each auction were bid-up by the house.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I speak with my good friend Shelly a few times a week, and since Shelly was in the middle of Operation Bullpen from beginning to end, I asked him his opinion on the Mastro situation.

Let us examine the sentencing of the various Operation Bullpen participants.

Greg Marino received a sentence of four (4) years. Marion was charged with mail and wire fraud, income tax evasion and forgery. He did all of his time at a federal camp in Nevada. He ended up serving 2 ½ years, with 1 ½ years off for time spent in drug rehab.

Shelly was convicted of one count of mail fraud, income tax evasion and did six (6) months and two (2) years probation.

Mike Moses, Forgery and Mail and Wire Fraud. He received two (2) years and his wife probation.

Stan Fitzgerald (Stan’s Sports) sold millions in forgeries and spent less than two (2) years in jail.

Ten (10) other participants of Operation Bullpen did the same time as Shelly and ten (10) others did no time at all.

Wayne Brey, who turned everyone in, did six (6) months at a halfway house.

William Mastro was charged with one (1) count of mail fraud and some here think he will get seven (7) years?

Based on the aforementioned sentencing of Operation Bullpen participants, I don’t believe Williams Mastro will serve more than 2 to 2 ½ plus six (6) months at a halfway house and possibly five (5) years probation plus major restitution.

We can speculate all we want. Only time will tell.