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[carrigansghost]

All for paying teachers if they deserve it. Some care, some don't.

I'm against unions as wel.

Rawn

[mighty bombjack]

Originally Posted by carrigansghost

All for paying teachers if they deserve it. Some care, some don't.

If you figure out a way to measure that, let the rest of us know.

I REALLY wish you'd become a public school teacher, even in the relatively friendly confines of Maine. It would smack the condescension off of your face in the first week, I know it.

[Wite3]

Rawn,

I actually used to like you before this thread but when you attack something very dear to me and something that I work extremely hard at (and attack it for no reason other than to make yourself seem superior), then I feel I might need to respond.

Your education might be higher than mine (although I doubt it). I am glad you have one. I wonder if it was home schooled or did you have dedicated/ hard working teachers? Even if you have 12 horrible teachers, it only takes one good one to erase all that.

Trade jobs with me for a week...I will be a field technician (whatever that is) for a small company in Maine and you can be an elementary teacher in one of the poorest districts in California.

I spend over $1000 of my own money a year for my classroom (sometimes more)...how much do you spend for your job? I work hard at school. I do not get breaks during the day except for a 45 minute lunch (which we often work through). (I often spend recess copying, calling parents, writing reports, meeting with the principal, etc.) I work from 7 am to 5 pm nearly everyday. I work nights at least two times a week catching up on grading, planning, or email. I teach summer school. Did you know that the majority of teachers in this country work a second job during summer (some even at night) to make ends meet? My summer break was exactly 9 weeks this year and I start back on August 6 even though the kids do not start until the 12th. How many days did you work this year where you did not get paid? I had 5 furlough days this year and 5 this coming year. I have not had a raise in my salary for 7 years (not even a cost of living increase).

You mention dealing with parents...I can just imagine what your parent conferences must be like with your children (not sure you have any...but I shudder when I think about it).

I joked with you and you attacked me. I am just dismayed.

I would like to thank a few people who pm'ed me and sent support.

Done with you and this thread...troll turned out to be an accurate description...now I am sad I ever helped you with the t205 polar bear carrigan.

Joshua
Proud Public School Teacher of the last 15 years!

[3-2-count]

Rawn,
Although it's very difficult for a man to do, many times it's necessary for him to step away and say he was wrong. I have no beef with you, but can tell you that you came away in this thread looking very disrespectful towards others. Sometimes a man's opinion should be kept to himself out of pure respect for others. Nothing more!!

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by Wite3

Rawn,

I actually used to like you before this thread but when you attack something very dear to me and something that I work extremely hard at (and attack it for no reason other than to make yourself seem superior), then I feel I might need to respond.

Your education might be higher than mine (although I doubt it). I am glad you have one. I wonder if it was home schooled or did you have dedicated/ hard working teachers? Even if you have 12 horrible teachers, it only takes one good one to erase all that.

Trade jobs with me for a week...I will be a field technician (whatever that is) for a small company in Maine and you can be an elementary teacher in one of the poorest districts in California.

I spend over $1000 of my own money a year for my classroom (sometimes more)...how much do you spend for your job? I work hard at school. I do not get breaks during the day except for a 45 minute lunch (which we often work through). (I often spend recess copying, calling parents, writing reports, meeting with the principal, etc.) I work from 7 am to 5 pm nearly everyday. I work nights at least two times a week catching up on grading, planning, or email. I teach summer school. Did you know that the majority of teachers in this country work a second job during summer (some even at night) to make ends meet? My summer break was exactly 9 weeks this year and I start back on August 6 even though the kids do not start until the 12th. How many days did you work this year where you did not get paid? I had 5 furlough days this year and 5 this coming year. I have not had a raise in my salary for 7 years (not even a cost of living increase).

You mention dealing with parents...I can just imagine what your parent conferences must be like with your children (not sure you have any...but I shudder when I think about it).

I joked with you and you attacked me. I am just dismayed.

I would like to thank a few people who pm'ed me and sent support.

Done with you and this thread...troll turned out to be an accurate description...now I am sad I ever helped you with the t205 polar bear carrigan.

Joshua
Proud Public School Teacher of the last 15 years!

+1000

I have to agree 1000% with Joshua on this one. My grandfather and father were both school teachers for over 35 years in their respective school districts. My dad didn't make a lot of $$$ but he worked hard all year long. In the summers he and others painted houses, took second jobs, etc. to make ends meet. Most nights were spent grading papers or entering grades into grade books or creating new assignments. And that was after he coached football or wrestling or whatever other school activities he was involved in after school let out. During sports seasons, my father left the house each morning at 6:30am and got home at 6:30pm every night.

When I got my Master's in Computer Science as a snot-nosed 20 something, I made more money right out of college than my father who had been teaching for 25 years by then. How fair is that? If our children are our future, how can we not value those who educate them?

Keep doing what you do, Joshua. Our kids need teachers like you!

jeff

[barrysloate]

There's no question that our teachers are underpaid and underappreciated and it's really not fair. In particular I want to laud Joshua for all his hard work, and I'm sure he does a whole lot more for his students than his job requires. And yet he keeps getting attacked for it; this isn't the first time. I just don't get it.

[GrayGhost]

When I was younger, I had thoughts of being a teacher. Such an impt job IMO, and to have someone come on and talk bout how many weeks they work and all is sour grapes. Its a TOUGH job w a lot of kids who you have the power to help thru life.

One of the professions I respect t he most.

[earlywynnfan]

Joshua, I've stayed out of this because I'm very tired from defending our job for the last few years. In Ohio, much like Wisconsin and many other states, teachers have become the public face of "everything that's wrong with this country: cushy job, world-class benefits, economy-destroying retirement plan." And don't forget that with tenure, you can't fire us! (No matter that none of these are exactly true.) I'm tired of hearing how many lousy teachers people have had through the years. I'm tired of politicians passing mandate after mandate at us, no matter how unreasonable.

So I come here, where I can think sports and take my mind off all this. And what do I see? A colleague dealing with the same crap, in one of the most important threads we've had here!

Joshua, you aren't going to change Rawn's mind. Let it go, it's not worth it.

Rawn, I don't know you and have never dealt with you. You are completely entitled to your opinions. And I am completely entitled to think you're an ass.

Ken
earlywynnfan5@hotmail.com

[thekingofclout]

I was very fortunate that I had one very special teacher, in which I really don't know where I would have ended up without her. God Bless you Bonnie Deal, wherever you are.

I also have a great deal of respect for Teachers, at every level. But... correct me if I'm wrong... didn't you guys know going into it that you were choosing a career that would never really be financially rewarding?

I would think that the biggest financial perk for Teachers has to be a having real pension instead of a 401k - and being able to retire before you're too old to enjoy it. Hell, in my field, I'm lucky my job offers any kind of retirement at all.

I too am not a fan of unions, but I do understand that there are some fields that they are essential like the Police, Firefighters, and Teachers. Of course after 25 years of service, my employer has given me just one raise... from $10 an hour to $10.75 (and I'm the Supervisor!) No kidding. When you depend on gratuities for your livelihood, you pretty much must work swingshift, weekends, and Holidays, so at least you'll have a decent opportunity to make your money. So, I tend to not feel so bad for union workers that have full benefits. But like all the rest of you, I also chose my career without a gun to my head (that came at least ten years into it).