New SGC Grading scale updates!!

[lharri3600]

I have this to say, i just received my grades and i truly believe 2 cards would have received 50's before the new grading system. Both cards received 45. I mean we've all seen worse haven't we?

[pcoz]

I think it's a great idea and plan on resubmitting a bunch. Most of us buy on eye appeal, but who wouldn't want their card in a holder with a higher grade?? It's silly to say you wouldn't, as a higher grade can't hurt your collection, only enhance the value. But, some card collectors do buy the holder. No question a Babe Ruth RC in a 4.5 is worth more than a 4 with equally as pleasing eye appeal. A bump in a card like that may cost $200 to regrade with a 10-15k bump in value.

[Kenny Cole]

Originally Posted by pcoz

I think it's a great idea and plan on resubmitting a bunch. Most of us buy on eye appeal, but who wouldn't want their card in a holder with a higher grade?? It's silly to say you wouldn't, as a higher grade can't hurt your collection, only enhance the value. But, some card collectors do buy the holder. No question a Babe Ruth RC in a 4.5 is worth more than a 4 with equally as pleasing eye appeal. A bump in a card like that may cost $200 to regrade with a 10-15k bump in value.

LOL, and you are the guy they were hoping for when the decision was made.

[pcoz]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

LOL, and you are the guy they were hoping for when the decision was made.

Lol then it worked. No brainer as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure I'm not the only one resumitting cards. Long overdue by SGC IMO.

[Kenny Cole]

IMO, you'd have a better chance going to Vegas and putting all your money down on one Roulette number. Hope it works out for you, but don't think it will.

[pcoz]

Originally Posted by Kenny Cole

IMO, you'd have a better chance going to Vegas and putting all your money down on one Roulette number. Hope it works out for you, but don't think it will.

???? Not sure I know what you mean by that. Who wouldn't want the most accurate grade on their card? SGC has always given the lower number when between grades, and they'll be the first to tell you that. .5 of a grade on a "valuable" card makes a financial difference, and if for nothing else, a more accurate grade on your card. PSA & Beckett have half grades, I don't see a problem with SGC doing it.

[barrysloate]

An accurate grade or a higher grade? I think the idea that a grading company can mint money by bumping a card is a little disconcerting to me. Sounds like others may agree.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by pcoz

A bump in a card like that may cost $200 to regrade with a 10-15k bump in value.

But it's the exact same card -- this is why it's such an inherently flawed system, the enormous value difference based on opinions that change day to day, grader to grader.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Bicem

But it's the exact same card -- this is why it's such an inherently flawed system, the enormous value difference based on opinions that change day to day, grader to grader.

+1

The "system" dictates that a card's value will be directly related to its technical grade as determined by a subjective 3rd party. So many people have bought into this, its disturbing!

p.s. this is my opinion so i hope no one sues me for libel when their sales drop next fiscal year

[Leon]

Again, I just don't think this is that big of a deal and a good thing overall for SGC. If you have a card that has been a certain grade but is freaking great for that grade, it has always and will always sell for a premium. If I sold this card I am quite sure it would bring more than most 4s of the same card.....because it warrants it, not because it is really a 4.5, right Peter?

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Leon

Again, I just don't think this is that big of a deal and a good thing overall for SGC. If you have a card that has been a certain grade but is freaking great for that grade, it has always and will always sell for a premium.

Devil's Advocate:
1) The strong 4's will get properly bumped to 4.5s, but the weak 4's won't get properly downgraded to 3.5
2) TPGs are all over the map as it is, sometimes grading the same card anywhere from Authentic to a 3 to a 6 and everywhere in between. If they don't have the consistency/accuracy to correctly grade to a whole number, how can they find the precision to grade to a decimal?

[ullmandds]

While Leon's e90-1 young is very nice...is that not a crease running left to the center of the card at the height of cy's eye?

If so...how could this possible be a candidate for an upgrade...unless of course you send it to psa?

[E93]

The other problem from a TPG perspective with downgrading is that I would imagine they would be liable for the difference in value in the card by downgrading since it would have been their mistake. Unless the error is egregious I doubt there would be an inclination to downgrade.

And I agree with Barry that since most people would only be submitting cards they feel are high end for the grade anyway, the likelihood of legitimately necessitating downgrade is slim.

In terms of numbers, lets say they get the grade right 98% of the time. Among the 2%, let's say some deserve upgrades and some deserve downgrades. My guess is that it is highly unlikely that the ones that really ought to be downgraded will get submitted with the hope of an upgrade very often.
JimB

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Devil's Advocate:
1) The strong 4's will get properly bumped to 4.5s, but the weak 4's won't get properly downgraded to 3.5
2) TPGs are all over the map as it is, sometimes grading the same card anywhere from Authentic to a 3 to a 6 and everywhere in between. If they don't have the consistency/accuracy to correctly grade to a whole number, how can they find the precision to grade to a decimal?

But a weak 4 is still a 4. If it got downgraded to 3.5 it wouldn't be in the 4 range. I don't disagree with the TPG's having some wiggle room but SGC and BVG seem to be very consistent, not perfect, but consistent.

PCOZ-That E103 Wags deserves a 2.5 and I absolutely believe is a perfect candidate. A 2.5 should be worth more than a 2 but I also don't think you got it at a 2 price, nor a whole 3 price. You bought the card not the holder which is the only way it was going to be sold, if I remember correctly. It's a great card, sir. Really is in the top part of E103 Wags I have seen.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Leon

Again, I just don't think this is that big of a deal and a good thing overall for SGC. If you have a card that has been a certain grade but is freaking great for that grade, it has always and will always sell for a premium. If I sold this card I am quite sure it would bring more than most 4s of the same card.....because it warrants it, not because it is really a 4.5, right Peter?

Ugly card.