New SGC Grading scale updates!!

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Leon

Again, I just don't think this is that big of a deal and a good thing overall for SGC. If you have a card that has been a certain grade but is freaking great for that grade, it has always and will always sell for a premium.

Devil's Advocate:
1) The strong 4's will get properly bumped to 4.5s, but the weak 4's won't get properly downgraded to 3.5
2) TPGs are all over the map as it is, sometimes grading the same card anywhere from Authentic to a 3 to a 6 and everywhere in between. If they don't have the consistency/accuracy to correctly grade to a whole number, how can they find the precision to grade to a decimal?

[ullmandds]

While Leon's e90-1 young is very nice...is that not a crease running left to the center of the card at the height of cy's eye?

If so...how could this possible be a candidate for an upgrade...unless of course you send it to psa?

[E93]

The other problem from a TPG perspective with downgrading is that I would imagine they would be liable for the difference in value in the card by downgrading since it would have been their mistake. Unless the error is egregious I doubt there would be an inclination to downgrade.

And I agree with Barry that since most people would only be submitting cards they feel are high end for the grade anyway, the likelihood of legitimately necessitating downgrade is slim.

In terms of numbers, lets say they get the grade right 98% of the time. Among the 2%, let's say some deserve upgrades and some deserve downgrades. My guess is that it is highly unlikely that the ones that really ought to be downgraded will get submitted with the hope of an upgrade very often.
JimB

[pcoz]

An example for me for an upgrade would be this card. I've seen a PSA 4 & 3 get sold the past 2 years that weren't as nice as this one. This by all accounts, should be higher than an SGC 30. No creases, and just for the "principal" of it, I'd like to see it in a higher graded holder. I don't see the downside of submitting it now that SGC has half grades. I think they're fair with their grading, and if it deserves a more accurate grade with their new system, then maybe it will end up in a higher graded holder. Apples to apples in the eye appeal department, a 35 would be worth more than a 30.

[Bicem]

Originally Posted by E93

In terms of numbers, lets say they get the grade right 98% of the time.

Can I be a famous time traveling robot in this extreme hypothetical?

Submit a mid-level condition card 100 times and how many times will it come back with the exact same grade?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Devil's Advocate:
1) The strong 4's will get properly bumped to 4.5s, but the weak 4's won't get properly downgraded to 3.5
2) TPGs are all over the map as it is, sometimes grading the same card anywhere from Authentic to a 3 to a 6 and everywhere in between. If they don't have the consistency/accuracy to correctly grade to a whole number, how can they find the precision to grade to a decimal?

But a weak 4 is still a 4. If it got downgraded to 3.5 it wouldn't be in the 4 range. I don't disagree with the TPG's having some wiggle room but SGC and BVG seem to be very consistent, not perfect, but consistent.

PCOZ-That E103 Wags deserves a 2.5 and I absolutely believe is a perfect candidate. A 2.5 should be worth more than a 2 but I also don't think you got it at a 2 price, nor a whole 3 price. You bought the card not the holder which is the only way it was going to be sold, if I remember correctly. It's a great card, sir. Really is in the top part of E103 Wags I have seen.

[pcoz]

Originally Posted by Leon

But a weak 4 is still a 4. If it got downgraded to 3.5 it wouldn't be in the 4 range. I don't disagree with the TPG's having some wiggle room but SGC and BVG seem to be very consistent, not perfect, but consistent.

PCOZ-That E103 Wags deserves a 2.5 and I absolutely believe is a perfect candidate. A 2.5 should be worth more than a 2 but I also don't think you got it at a 2 price, nor a whole 3 price. You bought the card not the holder which is the only way it was going to be sold, if I remember correctly. It's a great card, sir. Really is in the top part of E103 Wags I have seen.

Leon, I completely agree. You were right on the money on price, and correct that a nice 2 should be priced above an average 2. Regardless if it's upgraded or not, I'm thrilled to have it. But, it is a good candidate now that they have the .5 system to give it a shot.

[doug.goodman]

These threads about the specifics of grading always make me laugh.

Doug