1954 Topps Willie Mays SGC 50

[Leon]

Originally Posted by UOFLfan7

Haha, I love baseball cards, I do talk to girls, and I personally hate facebook. I have one, but I never get on it (Maybe once every month!). Anyways, baseball cards aren't only for old people, although I will admit that very few of my friends understand why I love collecting them so much. Heck even my parents don't understand why it is so hard for me to part with one of my baseball cards.

Cameron- You are a young Hero on this board. Hang in there with us. Yeah, most of us are your parents age but you will be some day. I love it that you hate FB. Me too. My 15 yrs old daughter is on it 24x7, almost every second. I make her put it down when we eat so I can see that she actually has a face. Vintage baseball cards, if history repeats itself, will be a nice little nest egg for you some day while you enjoy the journey of collecting. Please PM me if you ever need help with anything. I love to help the younger collectors as much as I can and I know a lot of other board members feel the same way too. take care

[vintagerookies51]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

any confusion.. Just was looking for some opinions on the card, but apparently you were already fishin' in this pond! I'm probably the youngest guy on here admittedly.. and I am completely new to the online marketplace, so I am learning as I go... It's kind of a trial and error thing.. I promise that I mean no harm in anything that I do, and I most certainly have no malice intent.. I guess you kinda learn by learning what not to do.. I know one thing... I certainly cannot count on anyone helping me out on this forum, unless, of course, I do something that they don't agree with....I don't recall anyone taking this "new member" under their wing to teach me the ropes...If I may speak freely... I would have thought that a vintage site would encourage new membership.. I would have thought that they would be pleased when new collectors find the forum.. Who do you think is going to be buying all of these vintage cards in 20 to 30 years? I am not 70.. or 60.. or 50.....or 40.... I am barely 30... I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage... I can certainly tell you that no one less than 30 is... They all want the guess... - Marshall

I would have to strongly disagree on this one... A lot of people under 30 collect vintage, including me since I'm less than half your age. A few of my friends love collecting old cards and learning the history of the game. And I know a few young people on freedom card board that like vintage.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by UOFLfan7

Haha, I love baseball cards, I do talk to girls, and I personally hate facebook. I have one, but I never get on it (Maybe once every month!). Anyways, baseball cards aren't only for old people, although I will admit that very few of my friends understand why I love collecting them so much. Heck even my parents don't understand why it is so hard for me to part with one of my baseball cards.

I started at 17 too. This was around 2005. I took a break in college just to enjoy "young people" things but have collected regularly since. My advice to you is to stay with collecting, no matter what anyone else says. Your peers will think you are crazy, but don't let them change your view of the hobby. You're lucky to start early - by them time you reach the age of some of the old timers here, your collection will be amazing.

[UOFLfan7]

Originally Posted by Leon

Cameron- You are a young Hero on this board. Hang in there with us. Yeah, most of us are your parents age but you will be some day. I love it that you hate FB. Me too. My 15 yrs old daughter is on it 24x7, almost every second. I make her put it down when we eat so I can see that she actually has a face. Vintage baseball cards, if history repeats itself, will be a nice little nest egg for you some day while you enjoy the journey of collecting. Please PM me if you ever need help with anything. I love to help the younger collectors as much as I can and I know a lot of other board members feel the same way too. take care

Originally Posted by sportscardpete

I started at 17 too. This was around 2005. I took a break in college just to enjoy "young people" things but have collected regularly since. My advice to you is to stay with collecting, no matter what anyone else says. Your peers will think you are crazy, but don't let them change your view of the hobby. You're lucky to start early - by them time you reach the age of some of the old timers here, your collection will be amazing.

Thanks, and Leon I will defiently PM you if I need help with anything.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

Sorry man.. Didn't realize you were on this forum, and certainly didn't know that you had a post about that card already up! Didn't mean to create any confusion.. Just was looking for some opinions on the card, but apparently you were already fishin' in this pond! I'm probably the youngest guy on here admittedly.. and I am completely new to the online marketplace, so I am learning as I go... It's kind of a trial and error thing.. I promise that I mean no harm in anything that I do, and I most certainly have no malice intent.. I guess you kinda learn by learning what not to do.. I know one thing... I certainly cannot count on anyone helping me out on this forum, unless, of course, I do something that they don't agree with....I don't recall anyone taking this "new member" under their wing to teach me the ropes...If I may speak freely... I would have thought that a vintage site would encourage new membership.. I would have thought that they would be pleased when new collectors find the forum.. Who do you think is going to be buying all of these vintage cards in 20 to 30 years? I am not 70.. or 60.. or 50.....or 40.... I am barely 30... I can promise that I don't know of any others in their early 30's that are interested in vintage... I can certainly tell you that no one less than 30 is... They all want the 1/1's.. the "refractors" and "parallel's".. (whatever those are).. They aren't interested in vintage.. So you can alienate me, or anyone else that comes on here that "doesn't do things the way that they're suppose to be done".. but what you're really doing is pushing the young guns out that will be the future of this DYING industry.. My entire life, I have lived, eaten and breathed vintage baseball cards.. I have pictures up on my website from when I was a dealer at 12 years old... I hung out at local baseball card shops as much as mom would let me.. There is no possible way for me to have 50 years of collecting experience, but I believe, for my age, I know a lot.. I am trying here, and that ought to count for something...So, sorry, I guess... - Marshall

You tried selling a card that does not belong to you. That is always bad form. Take it on the chin and quit blaming everyone else. Guys will help you on here just be straight and honest and do not try to be tricky. They have seen most any trick or scheme you could think of.

[Wymers Auction]

Originally Posted by vintagebaseballcardshop

Not a problem Zeus.... To clarify.. I didn't ask for opinions on the same forum,.. because as I stated, I didn't even know he was on this forum.. I also stated that I wasn't looking to pre-sell the card, I actually stated that "I am not looking to pre-sell the card or anything." I was looking for feedback on the card. You brought up the old T 206's.. I figured removing them from the site would have been sufficient...? The other T 206's were not added, and were there at the time that the previous 2 were removed. Had you pointed those two out at the time as the other 2, I would have removed them at that time. Marshall

I will make it easy for you pull all of your T206's and then go figure out what a T206 looks like even post pictures on here politely asking for help. Calling Leon Zeus was a bit funny sorry Leon, but I have to be honest.

[vintagebaseballcardshop]

"I will make it easy for you pull all of your T206's and then go figure out what a T206 looks like even post pictures on here politely asking for help. Calling Leon Zeus was a bit funny sorry Leon, but I have to be honest."

Ok.. I read the .pdf on examining Pre-War cards within the "detecting card alterations and reprints" section of the forum. Here is what I was able to come up with about the T206's that I won at the auction based on the .pdf:

1. I used a black light, but non of the cards "glowed", so they were either made with older stock, or with paper that did not contain a brightener.....
2. The borders (where the color meets the white border) on these T206's are crisp, where as borders on other T206's appear to bleed, there is a gap between the colored print and white border, or the color print crosses over into the white border.
3. These T206's appear to have a gloss, where other T206's do not.
4. The font used on the player name and team are different than other T206's
5. The spacing of the letters on the name and team are different. The spacing on these cards all appears to be the same from one letter to the next, while the spacing on other T206's is different from letter to letter.. Some letters are given more spacing than others...
6. The size of the letters on these are all congruent, where other T206's display some letters that are larger than others... (T is larger than A) for example...

So based on all of these findings, then I'd say that the cards are most certainly fakes...and I'd agree with Leon that they are "not even good fakes".. I, luckily, don't have too much money tied up in these, but my new mission is to find out if the auction company has a policy set in place for items later determined to be not authentic (since they advertised the items as being authentic)... Anyone have any experience or advice to share about this? Thanks! Marshall