Can't slab--only one known?

[71buc]

The artist is likely J.C Leyendecker. He was active during Johnson's era and specialized in Advertising art relating to men's fashion. Legendary auctions (see below) sold an item with the same image as part of a fabric catalog circa 1910. Whatever it is, it is very attractive example of baseball and advertising art from one of my favorite American illustrators congratulations on a great pick up and good luck with it.

http://www.americanartarchives.com/leyendecker,jc.htm

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=45003

Originally Posted by Pup6913

State and local goverment. I could make fake cards using old pages from books and cardstock, period ink, and a small press. Does that make them real? It's all period except when it was made. With the right tools an enough knowledge and patience any body could recreate period/fantasy pieces

To add the state of CO has never had a business registered anywhere in the archives from 1900-1930's by that name. The Colorado public library also has no archives, newspaper adds, or anything else of any company by that name. Something is not adding up. Only the name of a man is all we have and his profession was not listed. Seems if he owned or ran a men's clothing shop that it would be something to mention right?

[Bugsy]

Originally Posted by Pup6913

To add the state of CO has never had a business registered anywhere in the archives from 1900-1930's by that name. The Colorado public library also has no archives, newspaper adds, or anything else of any company by that name.

A large amount of information on businesses was never indexed and never will never be searchable in digital format. When looking at trade ads, you are at the mercy of the librarian or info-pro would created hit words for each page of microform. As far as finding aids go, a library may have created finding aids for newspapers, but only significant features are indexe. A trade ad for Joe Schmoe's clothing store would never be important enough to make an index. You would basically have to go through microform page-by-page, looking for a needle in a haystack. The info is out there; finding it is the issue.

[Bugsy]

I should also mention that it might be worthwhile calling a reference librarian in the Colorado public library system. The might have access to some materials that are not available online. They might also have a few connections to other local resources not in the CO public library system (i.e. a private library) that might have what you need.

Good luck!

Chris

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Bugsy

I should also mention that it might be worthwhile calling a reference librarian in the Colorado public library system. The might have access to some materials that are not available online. They might also have a few connections to other local resources not in the CO public library system (i.e. a private library) that might have what you need.

Good luck!

Chris

+1
Contacting a reference librarian local to the area is a great idea.

My experience researching things has been that even fairly mainstream items of recent vintage can be essentially uncataloged and definetly aren't online.

I have a bike from 1982 that was sold to me as having been used for a review in Bicycling magazine in 1985. NO local library had hard copy older than 3 years, and only Cambridge had microfilm. (Not even BPL) Also Bicycling isn't cataloged in readers guide to periodical literature. As I was starting to go through their microfilm collection - Also largely unindexed aside from month and publications included (All publications from one month together instead of all of the same title!) One of the librarians found an index that was very obscure. That and the name of the builder got me to the month and an actual date of 1982. And that got me the article, and a bunch of better information about that bikes place in history.

Much online stuff has been indexed either electronically, or by college students. Either way the indexes aren't all that acurate. Google has done all the US patents, but the OCR they used had problems with some of the early 1900's typefaces used. And both of the indexes for Harpers are very incomplete, often listing only one article from a page that might have 6 or more.
And neither indexes ads at all.

But the local research librarian will usually be able to point you to a local resource such as city books, which list all addesses, and all businesses in the city at the time of publication, or microfilm of locally held documents or newspapers. They usually don't have much time to do a lot of research but a photocopy of a page from a city directory is usally fine. (Some charge a small fee, but what they turn up is usually worth it.)

Steve B

[Bicem]

SGC is very hesitant to slab postcards from unknown issues these days as well. They have really gone downhill in this segment of the hobby in my humble opinion.

[Leon]

I also feel SGC is a bit too strict in this area. I would think they could perform some normal tests and see if the printing, paper and other characteristics fit for the era (as mentioned), then grade it. If I were them and didn't have an exact date I would just use the ole "circa" verbiage and be safe. They have never graded a few of my Babe Ruth Headin' Home strip cards either though I am confident they are real AND they are in the SCD. But they still won't grade them.

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by 71buc

The artist is likely J.C Leyendecker. He was active during Johnson's era and specialized in Advertising art relating to men's fashion. Legendary auctions (see below) sold an item with the same image as part of a fabric catalog circa 1910. Whatever it is, it is very attractive example of baseball and advertising art from one of my favorite American illustrators congratulations on a great pick up and good luck with it.

http://www.americanartarchives.com/leyendecker,jc.htm

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...px?lotid=45003

Thanks, Mike. The artist signed the calendar piece, but I can't make it out, could be Krompton or Brompton, first initial might be J. What I'm having trouble with as far as TPA is this: just because a card is known to exist doesn't make any new example of it legit. Fakes and reprints abound. So to authenticate a newly presented example, the TPA has to look beyond the history of the issue and the image to all the other factors: materials used, evidence of aging, etc, all the forensic things I assume they do routinely. So why can't they just do the same forensics with a piece that has no other example? Seems pretty simple to me.