Now that all the lying is done...do you think clemens makes the hall?

packs · #1 06-19-2012, 05:17 PM

I think Mussina and Pettitte are both HOFers. I think Mussina's career numbers are better but I think Pettitte is the superior pitcher. Andy is the guy you want on the mound with the game on the line. I don't think the same can be said for Mussina.

WhenItWasAHobby · #2 06-19-2012, 05:48 PM

I don't see Clemens getting in the Hall for quite a while. If McGwire and Palmiero can only get 20% of the votes, I don't see the writers making an exception for Clemens (or Bonds), both who probably would have made the Hall prior to the scandal.

7nohitter · #3 06-19-2012, 06:02 PM

I don't see Mussina getting in....good pitcher for a short amount of time...

packs · #4 06-19-2012, 06:24 PM

Really? Mussina has almost 120 more wins than losses over an 18 year career played at the height of the steroid era in the toughest division in baseball. That sounds good enough to me.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 06-19-2012, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 7nohitter

I don't see Mussina getting in....good pitcher for a short amount of time...

yeah, only 17 years

Ladder7 · #6 06-19-2012, 07:34 PM

My vote is for Glenn Burke. He had guts.

Certainly not this selfish doosh

Peter_Spaeth · #7 06-19-2012, 07:51 PM

Boston fans twice counted out Clemens prematurely. First, after the 1996 season, when the team failed to sign him and Dan Duquette famously said that he was in the "twighlight of his career." Second, after the 1999 Fenway playoff game with the Yankees, when Clemens got shelled early and lost to Pedro. The press was giddy after that one, and with a 36 year old Clemens coming off a mediocre season, who could blame them? Of course he went on to win two more Cy Young awards.

scooter729 · #8 06-19-2012, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Boston fans twice counted out Clemens prematurely. First, after the 1996 season, when the team failed to sign him and Dan Duquette famously said that he was in the "twighlight of his career." Second, after the 1999 Fenway playoff game with the Yankees, when Clemens got shelled early and lost to Pedro. The press was giddy after that one, and with a 36 year old Clemens coming off a mediocre season, who could blame them? Of course he went on to win two more Cy Young awards.

Duquette may have been right - had Clemens not turned to steroids (which many believe started right around the time of leaving the Red Sox), it could have been the end of his career.

He had been right around .500 in the previous 3-4 years with Boston (something like 40-39 rings a bell), so to go from that to back-to-back Cy Youngs in your late 30s, sounds like there could have been some strong motivation. Or medical help.

3-2-count · #9 06-19-2012, 07:50 PM

If your against worthy roid users entering the hall and state one player should get in over the next because they were far superior than the other guy when they all did em', that's just wrong. You either keep them all out because of that or put them all in if warranted. Picking and choosing from this group is a slippery slope imo which many seem to do.

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