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06-16-2012, 09:15 AM
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There is something rotten here and I don't think it is JSA.
The cert not in the system, the date of the photo and the COA don't match and the wording of the COA definitely indicates a team ball with multiple autographs. The COA also says the Ruth was signed in black and then traced over with blue. It sure looks black to me in the pictures that Don has put up. All this adds up to something really rotten here. Sure smells like a photoshopped COA done by a dope. Maybe one as stupid as the guy who tried to sell me a bogus Ruth autograph with a COA from Scoreboard (true story). Don, who did you get this ball from?
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06-16-2012, 09:28 AM
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Does JSA use the paper with his watermark? Hold it up to the light and see if it has his watermark.
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06-16-2012, 11:33 AM
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06-16-2012, 12:07 PM
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Babe Ruth Ball Traced Over
Guys I am confused as all of you on this baseball----What I can tell you is this Ball came into our shop when Jimmy Spence was having a Authentication day at the shop---He looked at the ball for 1/2 hour and did authenticate it---why the cert is not in his data base I dont know---I would have to talk to him---I will see him at the National----there are a few other names on the ball(two being the owner's mother and grandparents along with the State----also some other writing on a panel which I cant read.---why Jimmy mentioned clubhouse, I dont know---but he did feel Babe signed the ball and then it was traced over (maybe why he mentioned clubhouse)----The coa is good and everything is legit----again I will talk to Jimmy on it for a update---it was done like 5 years ago and the fellow came into the shop this week and sold it to me.---We had a authentication last sat again with JSA but the ball came in later in the week.---I will put a price on the ball at $500 and we can go from there.---If it doesnt sell, I will have it at the National if anyone cares to look at it. I know it isnt a topnotch ball and I am not trying to sell it at top dollar. I also would prefer a signed Babe ball that isnt traced over but this is how the ball is. low grade etc. I hope I helped a little here. thanks, Don
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06-16-2012, 12:20 PM
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Jimmy uses the term clubhouse signatures for a very specific reason. The COA seems to be for a ball with clubhouse signatures,,, this gets weirder by the minute.
I am spending way too much time on the computer  ,,, on my way out for a while, it is a beautiful day in NYC.I need a vacation,, (soon, I will be on one) 
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06-18-2012, 03:51 AM
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Looking at the connection between the first b and a and the large loop in the second b does anyone think it is real anyway? Even traced over there should not be so big of a loop on that b right? I do not understand authenticating traced overs the original could have been traced on the ball in pencil and then gone over.
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06-16-2012, 12:23 PM
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The letter mentions "clubhouse signatures" because JSA uses one boilerplate form letter for everything they authenticate, whether it is appropriate to the item or not.
You might think that for your $150 fee JSA would have a few template letters to choose from, but you'd be wrong.
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