Heritage Auction problem

[travrosty]

Especially since their reason i was banned is not true. I harrassed no one, now they level the accusation I am a harrasser. Not true. I don't think they liked the fact that a few hobbyists seem to know more about boxing autographs than the people they employ as "experts". they started to look bad and they can't have that so they throw the baby out with the bath water.

What people don't know is that there is a someone else who got banned, who is a boxing autograph hobbyist who never worked with any blog site, and also didn't harrass anyone over at heritage, and he too got his account banned. They don't seem to like boxing autograph collectors who know their trade.


When the bad ty cobb ball preview hit deadspin.com, heritage took the cobb listing down, but then they redirected the URL to a page that was suppose to be critical of the person who wrote the story.

so when people went to deadspin.com, and clicked on the link that was suppose to bring them to the bad cobb ball, they were redirected to a page that took a potshot at the writer of the story.

Is that professionalism by an auction house? Playing games like that instead of addressing the issue of why this ball was even up on their website, and with a TPA auction loa listed with it as well? Their answer to this is to redirect a link and take a potshot at someone? Professionals???

[mcgwirecom]

This is kinda off topic but not really.

I had never bought anything from Heritage before, but I bid on an item in their Sunday auction. This auction was on 5/20. I paid for my item on 5/23 in the a.m. I used a bank transfer because I figured that would get it moving the fastest and that way the auction house doesn't get charged a fee like the credit cards do. I figured thats what they would prefer. So last week I still didn't have the item and I emailed them. They said that I made the payment on 5/23 but it didn't cleaar til 5/30. Even though I made a direct bank transfer it needs to clear? OK maybe I'm confused. So now it should ship out on 5/30 right? I just emailed last night and said I had still not gotten it. I get the email back today that it is still in shipping! Hasn't even left! And this is 21 days after I paid. And 14 if you think my payment needed to clear. So this is my first dealing with them. Doesn't bode well. Maybe I will get my account cancelled now?

[slidekellyslide]

Obviously they are so large they really don't care how many Net54 bidders they lose every time Scheier posts here, but I've said it before and will say it again..the person they chose to represent their business on Net54 is arrogant and condescending. None of this surprises me though, they have in their employ a man who is banned from the Cooperstown Baseball Hall of Fame library which IMO puts them up there with the likes of Coaches Corner.

[Splinte1941]

To defend Heritage you'd have to be:

A)On the payroll/take

B) A moron

C) In bed with the owners/employees, financially or otherwise.

D) A moron

E) A moron

F) A satisfied customer

That's just my $.02

[RichardSimon]

Jonathan,
I guess I should consider it a badge of honor to have you attempt to defame me. It seems that every time you post here you cause far more harm to your organization than if you did not post.
There have been so many negative posts here about your organization and its employees that it just brings a laugh to my face.
Keep up the good work and BE PROUD of YOUR honest and quality work and bogus attempts to defame me.
Look how this thread has gone against Heritage. Like I said, good work Jonathan.

[deebro041]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

To defend Heritage you'd have to be:

A)On the payroll/take

B) A moron

C) In bed with the owners/employees, financially or otherwise.

D) A moron

E) A moron

F) A satisfied customer

That's just my $.02

OR....Your initials just happen to be J S !! Just kidding lol

[Leon]

Originally Posted by deebro041

OR....Your initials just happen to be J S !! Just kidding lol

Unfortunately the person stating this, and you are agreeing with, is an admitted liar and shill bidder. So agreeing with him is maybe not as highly thought of as it was. I have spoken with a few long time board members about Heritage in the last several days. They have also stated as I believe, Heritage is an honest company that has/had some operational issues. They also should consider changing the messenger on our board. Another messenger might be more widely accepted. Each and every time I have spoken with Chris Ivy about the banning of board members from their auctions I have concluded his reasoning was sound. They have never banned anyone for only questioning an item. They will ban folks that go overboard which many of our members do. Time and time again I might add. It's all in the delivery. I can't say I blame them either. As far as saying Richard is in cahoots with an alleged forger, criminal, wanted person and allegedly the biggest crook ever in the hobby, Peter Nash, well, if information is being supplied to him then I don't know what you would call it? Maybe someone can help out here. What do you call a person that gives information to allegedly the biggest fraudster in the sports memorabilia business? I am just asking a question not making any accusations.

I want to add that I think, and have always thought, Richard is a very honest person. I am merely asking a legitimate, devils advocate question above.

[David Atkatz]

The biggest fraudster in the sports memorabilia business, without a doubt, was Barry Halper.

No one even comes close. No one ever will.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Leon

Unfortunately the person stating this, and you are agreeing with, is an admitted liar and shill bidder. So agreeing with him is maybe not as highly thought of as it was. I have spoken with a few long time board members about Heritage in the last several days. They have also stated as I believe, Heritage is an honest company that has/had some operational issues. They also should consider changing the messenger on our board. Another messenger might be more widely accepted. Each and every time I have spoken with Chris Ivy about the banning of board members from their auctions I have concluded his reasoning was sound. They have never banned anyone for only questioning an item. They will ban folks that go overboard which many of our members do. Time and time again I might add. It's all in the delivery. I can't say I blame them either. As far as saying Richard is in cahoots with an alleged forger, criminal, wanted person and allegedly the biggest crook ever in the hobby, Peter Nash, well, if information is being supplied to him then I don't know what you would call it? Maybe someone can help out here. What do you call a person that gives information to allegedly the biggest fraudster in the sports memorabilia business? I am just asking a question not making any accusations.

I want to add that I think, and have always thought, Richard is a very honest person. I am merely asking a legitimate, devils advocate question above.

Leon - What do you call someone who is pointing out some of the biggest problems in the hobby? If he is going to do that and in that process expose questionable practices and if he asks me for my opinion about certain things (as he has asked Ron Kerujian and a number of others on this board) then I am going to give him my opinion. If he asks me a question and wants to quote me in his blog, well Michael O Keefe has done that too. Does Heritage think he might be the Cooperstown Forger.
Many members have been happy to start new threads here linking to Hauls of Shame website. Many members apparently believe his allegations. Many members have had problems with Heritage. The number of members complaining about Heritage far exceeds the number who praise them.
Regardless of possible illegal allegations against Peter Nash, none proven at this time, I will respond to questions from him until he is accused of some criminal action. If you want to call that working in conjunction then go ahead and do it but only Heritage has accused me of doing that and I truly don't believe members here would accuse me of doing that just because I give him an opinion on an autograph and give him permission to quote me on Hauls of Shame.
I see all these complaints about Heritage posted here on Net54 and sort of just go ???. I deal with Lelands, Alexander Autograph Auctions, RR Autograph Auctions and Henry Yee. I have never had to make a complaint against any of them, either as a buyer or as a seller. I have never had an untoward incident, either as a buyer or as a seller. They are the cream of the crop and as to getting barred by Heritage, well my barrel of tears has already been disposed of.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by Leon

Unfortunately the person stating this, and you are agreeing with, is an admitted liar and shill bidder. So agreeing with him is maybe not as highly thought of as it was. I have spoken with a few long time board members about Heritage in the last several days. They have also stated as I believe, Heritage is an honest company that has/had some operational issues. They also should consider changing the messenger on our board. Another messenger might be more widely accepted. Each and every time I have spoken with Chris Ivy about the banning of board members from their auctions I have concluded his reasoning was sound. They have never banned anyone for only questioning an item. They will ban folks that go overboard which many of our members do. Time and time again I might add. It's all in the delivery. I can't say I blame them either. As far as saying Richard is in cahoots with an alleged forger, criminal, wanted person and allegedly the biggest crook ever in the hobby, Peter Nash, well, if information is being supplied to him then I don't know what you would call it? Maybe someone can help out here. What do you call a person that gives information to allegedly the biggest fraudster in the sports memorabilia business? I am just asking a question not making any accusations.

I want to add that I think, and have always thought, Richard is a very honest person. I am merely asking a legitimate, devils advocate question above.

Here we go with the "allegedly" again. Proof should be needed before banning someone from Heritage based on an allegation.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Is that professionalism by an auction house? Playing games like that instead of addressing the issue of why this ball was even up on their website, and with a TPA auction loa listed with it as well? Their answer to this is to redirect a link and take a potshot at someone? Professionals???

+1
Well said Travis.
Their behavior is more like a petulant child than a professional auction house.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

+1
Well said Travis.
Their behavior is more like a petulant child than a professional auction house.

+2

[shelly]

I have been in this hobby for fifty years, and as most of you know, 12 years ago, I was arrested for selling forged material. I was an idiot for selling bad merchandise; it was a mistake. I really have tried to do things right since then.

The reason I am even getting involved with this thread, is the way Heritage mentioned Richard and Travis in their post on this board. I really don't know Travis, but Richard Simon is a friend of mine, and I felt that because of my past and our friendship, they could be saying that I might be the HOF forger, or that Chris Williams could be the Cooperstown Forger, because he is also a friend of Richard. Jim Stinson is a friend of Richard; is he the Cooperstown Forger?

Heritage is saying things that make everyone on this board look like they could be the bad guy.

I have dealt with one of their wonder-kins in the past named Mike Gutierrez, and I have a great deal to say about Mark Jordan. I will be discussing them in great lengths, once I receive some needed items. These are the people Heritage chooses to associate with while trying to use innuendo to denigrate others.

Leon, you of all people, should protest such innuendos being placed on the board. Just pure crap to make people look bad without any proof at all being offered.

If people disagree with Heritage that is not a reason for Heritage to remove them from participating in their auctions.

Heritage, you say you know who this forger is. Tell us who you think it is. The truth is your defense. You take pride in the fact that you do $700 million in business annually. Then please explain to me why you are acting like a five and dime store.(Just showing my age).

I would also bet the letter written so perfectly by you, was done by your warm blooded lawyer.

[travrosty]

Shelly,

thank you for your post, I haven't met Shelly or known him but i do agree that the way Heritage handled it was not professional and heaven knows me and a few of my boxing friends bent over backwards to try to help them with their boxing offerings but they are always the smartest guy in the room according to them, so we gave up trying to help.

A bad piece like the "signed" Mike Tyson preprint under the frame just ended up selling, even with a cert from a major TPA.

If they have something to say they should just come out and say it and stop "implying" things.

[ctownboy]

A little off topic, but I read an article yesterday that said Heritage recently sold a dinosaur skeleton that a Texas court had ruled shouldn't be sold. The skeleton had been smuggled out of Mongolia illegally.

Auctioned dinosaur was removed illegally, say experts | MNN ...
http://www.mnn.com/earth-matters/ani...ly-say-experts

David

[RichardSimon]

That is one interesting article and quite a collectible .
I also want to say thanks to Shelly for his post. We have been friends for a number of years and I have witnessed many of the right things that Shelly has done to help the hobby.
Seems like attempts to intimidate Net54 members does not work very well.
Thank goodness we still have freedom of speech on this board, as long as you follow the proper rules and don't try to hide.