Heritage Auction problem

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by travrosty

i think the same thing happened to both of us. a bid didnt get topped so someone who bid - won the item and wouldnt pay. very strange - it always made me wonder.

The only logical explanation, the elephant in the room, is that they shilled these two items. If they're not going to release the name of the "winning" bidder or use legal means to force the "winning" bidder to honor his contractual bid, then they leave people with no options other than to consider that they're up to no good.

[deebro041]

Heritage is our Platinum sponsor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by deebro041

Heritage is our Platinum sponsor.

I am sorry to hear of the issues as I know a lot of the Heritage guys and they are all good guys. They are our Platinum sponsor for the Net54baseball Dinner at the National too. They are also an advertiser on the board. I have never had any issues with them and have bid and won in a lot of their auctions. If they said a bidder didn't pay then a bidder didn't pay. I would be very surprised of anything else. best regards

[sports-rings]

Just for the record, I never wrote or wanted to insinuate that heritage was shill bidding or doing anything morally wrong. I posted my story because I too, was told non paying bidders make up 1% of their auction.

Although I wish they tried harder to get the winning bidder (who I was told had consigned to them in the past) to pay, I do not know how much effort they put into the collection.

I hope that clarifies my stance on this issue.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by deebro041

Heritage is our Platinum sponsor.

Leon, does this mean I should delete my post and/or apologize?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

Leon, does this mean I should delete my post and/or apologize?

Why? You didn't break any rule. I think Heritage does a great job but if others have different opinions then they can express them. No one or business, advertiser or no advertiser, is off limits on this board. You have your name by your post. That is all that counts as far as being able to say almost anything you want to, per the rules.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by Leon

Why? You didn't break any rule. I think Heritage does a great job but if others have different opinions then they can express them. No one or business, advertiser or no advertiser, is off limits on this board. You have your name by your post. That is all that counts as far as being able to say almost anything you want to, per the rules.

OK, thanks.

[travrosty]

the fact they wouldnt pressure the "winning" bidder to pay or to release their name only makes me wonder more.

[Leon]

Heritage is an advertiser but I will give an opinion anyway. Even though Chris (Ivy) and I don't always agree on everything I don't know anyone in the hobby more honest than he is. I would be absolutely shocked if his division of the company is doing anything wrong (on purpose). Do they make mistakes, no doubt. But as far as doing anything that is illegal, or even close to illegal, I think there is no way in hell that is happening. Heritage wouldn't have been in business so long and be so successful if they did things that weren't on the up and up. Sure, anyone can say anything they want to....and completely disagree with me, no issue there, but those are my thoughts. I do politely disagree with some of their rules on bidding but it's their business and they are doing nothing against the law by the way they run their auctions.

[sports-rings]

the fact they wouldnt pressure the "winning" bidder to pay or to release their name only makes me wonder more.

Again, I am not sure how much of an effort they applied in pressuring the wining bidder to complete the transaction on my canceled sale. It may have been a monumental effort or it could have been very little.

I tried to get as much information as I could but Heritage did not reveal too much. I did ask and was told that the winning bidder had purchased items in the past and also consigned with them, but will no longer be allowed to bid in any future heritage auctions.

Sadly, I feel when I put this unique item up for bid next time, people will wonder if something was wrong with the item since it had been in the heritage auction in May. I wonder if it will do worse since it will be auctioned off a 2nd time.

[travrosty]

I needed the money bad and after three months, left holding the bag, and they got the stones to ask me to consign it with them again? yeah, i want to dink around another 3 months with them.

they listed their autographs as jsa auction LOA when they weren't. thats lying. When you say something that isn't so it's a lie.

when i told chris ivy that is not cool, he told me to mind my own business. then 6 months later when it got some traction and he couldnt contain it any further, he acts like this is the first time he heard of such claims, and then says he is happy to help out the customer by fixing the problem. unbelievable. And the people who bring these items to light get their accounts banned. yeah, they are a super auction house.


He also said the only times they put up the premature auction loa by jsa was on preview items where no live bidding was taking place. This was also a lie. myself and others showed instances of weekly internet auctions that had the premature jsa auction loa tag on them and the items were up for live internet bidding. When he says something like that - that isn't true, it's called a lie. That's not being honest, it's the definition of dishonesty.


Only when they got caught on a high-visibility scale, did they do anything about it and the people who pressured them to change got the brunt of their wrath by getting their bidding accounts cancelled, at least 5 people. They helped the customer and we helped them help the customer and if it wasn't for us they would still be doing it but we are the bad guys who deserve our accounts cancelled? Jeez!

So when you say you know Ivy to be honest as the day is long, that's fine for you, I am here to say I know a different Chris Ivy.

That's them in a nutshell and I don't care if they are a platinum sponsor or a plutonium sponsor. I am glad everyone can voice their opinion.

[Splinte1941]

Originally Posted by Leon

Even though Chris (Ivy) and I don't always agree on everything I don't know anyone in the hobby more honest than he is.

I'll disagree and take Jim Stinson, David Hunt, Henry Yee, and Richard Simon for $500 Alex...

[thekingofclout]

I'm confused. Didn't Travis get barred by Heritage several months ago? And if so, I've never heard of an auction house accepting consignments from someone that they had barred?

And even a bit stranger in my opinion. A few months ago, Travis continued to bash Heritage here on net 54. He bashed them pretty darn good too. My question is:

Travis. Why would you consign an autograph with Heritage when you were convinced that, as a Company and Chris Ivy himself, were liars. And not just regular liars but really big, BIG liars. Just what made you choose Heritage? Especially during the Spring Auction Season when there were SEVERAL Major Auction Houses that all had auctions withing weeks, some before, and some after, the date that Heritage chose for their auction. How do you explain that choice Travis? What compelled you to get on board with Heritage? It makes me wonder...

I personally don't know a single person (and I know a lot of people) that would trust an expensive item with someone whom they DO NOT TRUST and were convinced was a LIAR! It's just unheard of.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Splinte1941

I'll disagree and take Jim Stinson, David Hunt, Henry Yee, and Richard Simon for $500 Alex...

Your list above names one of the most dishonest people I've ever dealt with in the hobby. I guess it's all just a matter of personal experiences - also, my experiences with Chris Ivy have been fantastic.