1934 goudey uncut sheet including lajoie

[brianp-beme]

A question...does this mean that the only known complete sheets of the 1934 Goudey high numbers contain the Lajoie, or are there any out there without Lajoie? I always assumed that Goudey did a special, limited printing run with the Lajoie. If it was a full production run with the Lajoie on every sheet, wouldn't it have been a nightmare/incredibly impractical to sort out the Lajoie cards after they had been cut?

Brian

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

A question...does this mean that the only known complete sheets of the 1934 Goudey high numbers contain the Lajoie, or are there any out there without Lajoie? I always assumed that Goudey did a special, limited printing run with the Lajoie. If it was a full production run with the Lajoie on every sheet, wouldn't it have been a nightmare/incredibly impractical to sort out the Lajoie cards after they had been cut?

Brian

And wouldnt that make the Lajoie as common as the 1934 high #'s?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

A question...does this mean that the only known complete sheets of the 1934 Goudey high numbers contain the Lajoie, or are there any out there without Lajoie? I always assumed that Goudey did a special, limited printing run with the Lajoie. If it was a full production run with the Lajoie on every sheet, wouldn't it have been a nightmare/incredibly impractical to sort out the Lajoie cards after they had been cut?

Brian

I collect uncut sheets of all sorts, and I have not seen a 1934 Goudey high # sheet without Lajoie in 30+ years. I would venture to say it does not exist.

Therefore theoretically, the population of the Lajoie card should equal any given 1934 Hi # card (card #73-96). SGC pop report data appears to support
this fact.

Back in 1982, I heard a story that Jefferson Burdick acquired 25 - Lajoie cards when he wrote a letter requesting them from the Goudey Gum Co.


TED Z

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I collect uncut sheets of all sorts, and I have not seen a 1934 Goudey high # sheet without Lajoie in 30+ years. I would venture to say it does not exist.

Therefore theoretically, the population of the Lajoie card should equal any given 1934 Hi # card (card #73-96). SGC pop report data appears to support
this fact.

Back in 1982, I heard a story that Jefferson Burdick acquired 25 - Lajoie cards when he wrote a letter requesting them from the Goudey Gum Co.


TED Z

In the lionel carter sales dvd , he said burdick got 10 copy of lajoie and send 1 copy to mr carter.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by g_vezina_c55

In the lionel carter sales dvd , he said burdick got 10 copy of lajoie and send 1 copy to mr carter.

The source of the story I heard 30 years ago was Rob Lifson.....who said it was a total of 25 - Lajoie cards.


TED Z

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by tedzan

The source of the story I heard 30 years ago was Rob Lifson.....who said it was a total of 25 - Lajoie cards.


TED Z

Ah ok, my source is the lionel carter dvd auction made by mastro, at 1 time in the dvd the guy who work for mastro said the word of lionel carter and he said burdick have 10 copy of the lajoie card so he send 1 lajoie to lionel carter..

here is the card

http://www.google.ca/imgres?q=lionel...74&tx=27&ty=72

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by tedzan

I collect uncut sheets of all sorts, and I have not seen a 1934 Goudey high # sheet without Lajoie in 30+ years. I would venture to say it does not exist.

Therefore theoretically, the population of the Lajoie card should equal any given 1934 Hi # card (card #73-96). SGC pop report data appears to support
this fact.

TED Z

Ted - Thanks for all the clarification on this. I honestly think it sucks to have the Lajoie as "rare" as the 1934 high numbers...it almost feels like the Lajoie should be part of the '34 set irregardless of the # of front format. How in the world is it a '33 then?

[philliesphan]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Ted - Thanks for all the clarification on this. I honestly think it sucks to have the Lajoie as "rare" as the 1934 high numbers...it almost feels like the Lajoie should be part of the '34 set irregardless of the # of front format. How in the world is it a '33 then?

Isn't the distribution the key, though? The 1934 high numbers were distributed...with the 1934 Goudey issue. The Lajoie was only distributed to those people who (in 1933 or 1934) wrote to Goudey complaining about the lack of the card existing. As such, it was not inserted into packs and distributed in the normal methodology.

Although one could reasonably speculate that the number of Lajoie's produced was the same as the number of 1934 high numbers, I think the distribution methodology makes it more likely that the # of surviving copies of the Lajoie are fewer.

I don't think the population report is necessarily a good indicator here, as a Lajoie in 1 is worth lots of money, whereas a high number in 1 is worth ~$20-

[Steve D]

I recall reading several years ago about a 1933 Goudey #106 Leo Durocher. Do you Ted, or does anyone else know how many of those exist, and what the story behind them is?

Steve

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by Steve D

I recall reading several years ago about a 1933 Goudey #106 Leo Durocher. Do you Ted, or does anyone else know how many of those exist, and what the story behind them is?

Steve

i also read about this card, it was obtain via a contact at goudey company....

[rainier2004]

Originally Posted by philliesphan

Isn't the distribution the key, though? Although one could reasonably speculate that the number of Lajoie's produced was the same as the number of 1934 high numbers, I think the distribution methodology makes it more likely that the # of surviving copies of the Lajoie are fewer.

I don't think the population report is necessarily a good indicator here, as a Lajoie in 1 is worth lots of money, whereas a high number in 1 is worth ~$20-

Value is also a poor indicator. Here are the facts: There are 106 graded 1933 Lajoie's between sgc and psa (I need it easy and kept it to 2 TPG's). There are between 130 and 210 graded copies of every 1934 high# (73-96). The Hoag has 144 copies, #94 rolfe 194 and #90 cuyler 184 graded copies (3 of the more expensive higher #'s) compared to 844 graded copies of #37 gehrig, THE most expensive card.

Id think the more expensive cards would have a higher percentage graded. This gets into Zachs post from the other day, but I wonder what percentage of Lajoies are graded. It seems that 50-60% of my high #'ed 1934 goudeys, and thats 2 sets plus some triples and quads, were slabbed, a higher percentage than numbers 1-72. My point is there are a lot more Lajoies than I thought and the price of the card poorly resembles its "rarity" (I know, another thread). Its "cool" factor is the primary force behind the price. I guess Im just behind the curve here...

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by rainier2004

Value is also a poor indicator. Here are the facts: There are 106 graded 1933 Lajoie's between sgc and psa (I need it easy and kept it to 2 TPG's). There are between 130 and 210 graded copies of every 1934 high# (73-96). The Hoag has 144 copies, #94 rolfe 194 and #90 cuyler 184 graded copies (3 of the more expensive higher #'s) compared to 844 graded copies of #37 gehrig, THE most expensive card.

Id think the more expensive cards would have a higher percentage graded. This gets into Zachs post from the other day, but I wonder what percentage of Lajoies are graded. It seems that 50-60% of my high #'ed 1934 goudeys, and thats 2 sets plus some triples and quads, were slabbed, a higher percentage than numbers 1-72. My point is there are a lot more Lajoies than I thought and the price of the card poorly resembles its "rarity" (I know, another thread). Its "cool" factor is the primary force behind the price. I guess Im just behind the curve here...

I think the lajoie card is rare than the other high number. Yes probably the same number was printed but not same number distributed. All high number 34 goudey was distributed in pack. I think many printed lajoie was never distributed and perhaps destroyed by goudey when all complaint customers where satisfied with her 33 lajoie

[Rob D.]

Population reports aside (even though in this case, they support what I'm about to say, which means you're supposed to use them, I guess), once I started searching in earnest to purchase a Goudey Lajoie, it became pretty clear to me that this famed "rarity" is pretty available. For many years the Lajoie was grouped with the T206 Wagner and Plank as the hobby's "big three." There's simply no comparison.

Obviously, when comparing the Lajoie with other 1933 Goudeys, it's tough. But if you want one -- especially a fairly high grade example -- and you have the money, you won't be waiting long. I think part of the allure of the card is the fact it supposedly was available only by writing the company. In my opinion, either a heck of a lot of people took pen to paper, or Goudey Lajoies were made available in ways we do not know about.