Most undervalued HOFers

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by G1911

Yes, that's why I listed several metrics that speak to career value. So we can't use ERA to evaluate a pitchers performance, raw or adjusted. We also have to dismiss WAR, WHIP, W/L, et al. So what numbers that we evaluate together to do our own math can we use? No-Hitter games admissible? Since the starting point that people are objecting to is my claim that Perry and Ryan are very different types of pitchers ('conventional balance' vs. the K/BB artist) who produced similar value, what numbers can you use to speak against my claim, on a logical, mathematical level instead of an emotional one?

Several people have listed stats they believe show more value. You just choose to ignore them. You reply with, "Yeah, but the strikeouts are balanced by the walks..." Statisticians are learning just how valuable strikeouts are, and the walk rate must be much higher than Ryan's to balance it out. There are many benefits to a ball not being put in play.

But again, I never said you can't evaluate value how you want. You are free to believe they provided similar value. Myself and others just disagree. While baseball is tied closely to numbers, it's also an art to evaluate value. There are 9 players on defense, and no two pitchers are facing the same circumstances. It's just not as simple as you are trying to make it. But I get it, you have a conclusion you want to reach, and you can choose numbers to bear it out. No big deal. No need to get so defensive about it. For someone so worried about removing emotion, you sure employ a lot of it in your responses.