Most undervalued HOFers

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by G1911

I know Ryan fans believe the single game will be one of his 7 no hitters instead of a game he walks in a bunch of runs, but iakes sense to go with the one slightly better at not giving up runs in context.

It's always perplexed me that so many with Ryan only want to talk about 7 games. Or 19 games, or 30 something games, or however many games you want to look out if you look at his 3+ hitter games.

Ryan had decisions in 616 games over 27 years. He started 773 games. And appeared in 807 total games. It just seems to me like the extreme spotlight on what are still at the end of the day statistical oddity games - is a bit strange. Steve Carlton never pitched a no-hitter. Roger Clemens, for a hard thrower - didn't either. Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, and Tom Seaver each pitched one.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

It's always perplexed me that so many with Ryan only want to talk about 7 games. Or 19 games, or 30 something games, or however many games you want to look out if you look at his 3+ hitter games.

Ryan had decisions in 616 games over 27 years. He started 773 games. And appeared in 807 total games. It just seems to me like the extreme spotlight on what are still at the end of the day statistical oddity games - is a bit strange. Steve Carlton never pitched a no-hitter. Roger Clemens, for a hard thrower - didn't either. Bob Gibson, Jim Palmer, and Tom Seaver each pitched one.

Surprised Clemens did not throw one, he is exactly the kind of pitcher likeliest to achieve a no hitter. K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds. That's a surprising one.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by G1911

Surprised Clemens did not throw one, he is exactly the kind of pitcher likeliest to achieve a no hitter. K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds. That's a surprising one.

Agreed, he would have been much more likely to throw a no-hitter you would think than Jim Palmer. But just goes to show you how even for those blessed with speed - a no-hitter is still a statistical oddity game.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

Surprised Clemens did not throw one, he is exactly the kind of pitcher likeliest to achieve a no hitter. K guys on a good control day, longevity upping the odds. That's a surprising one.

Grove didn't pitch one I don't think. As unhittable as he could be at times, Maddux did not either.