Most undervalued HOFers

[Kutcher55]

Originally Posted by G1911

This is a perfect example, guy. I said that Perry and Ryan are "pretty similar" in regards to their career values. Let's see.

Ryan: 324-292, 112 ERA+, 5,386 IP, 1.247 WHIP, 83.6 WAR

Perry: 314-265, 117 ERA+, 5,350 IP, 1.181 WHIP, 90.0 WAR

Well, looks like they are, in fact, pretty similar in regards to their actual career values.

They produced similar careers and values, but Ryan had the highlight reel, the press, the flashy K's (and forgotten walks) and the dedicated fanbase while Perry did not. I understand that many people are not interested in using the math or value or anything like that, and follow an emotion or who they like or who had the PR, or the highlight reel, or single game accomplishments. I do not understand why many of these people object that other people use math to evaluate instead.

My career is based around math. Analysis is part art and part science. You referenced a group of similar numbers and say they are basically the same guy. Clearly when you look at factors beyond the W/L and WAR, they aren’t.

[Kutcher55]

And Bobby Grich and Derek Jeter are the same guy because they have the same WAR, Right?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Kutcher55

My career is based around math. Analysis is part art and part science. You referenced a group of similar numbers and say they are basically the same guy. Clearly when you look at factors beyond the W/L and WAR, they aren’t.

Then if you object to my claim on math grounds, counter that claim that their overall career values are pretty similar with math instead of emotion.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Ryan was a freak of nature being able to do what he did well into his 40’s. His talent level was staggering and that alone will win him a place in the hearts of many fans/collectors even though his won-loss record does not match up with many other less talented HOF pitchers. To me, Ryan is comparable to Bo Jackson (minus the career ending injury), another staggering talent who collectors have fallen in love with although his numbers pale in comparison to some other marginal HOF’ers from his era.

[Peter_Spaeth]

I hear what you're saying but the comparison seems weak to me. Perhaps Ryan underachieved relative to his talent but even so he won 324 games and is by far the all time leader in Ks. And his accomplishments in his 40s are unrivaled. Bo had a WAR of 8.3 for his career. His popularity derives from the two sport thing, a bit of the "what might have been" factor, and Bo Knows.