Cards still being outed on Blowout -- PSA 9 Monte Irvin in the recent ML

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

There are thousands of us in the hobby. You are surely overgeneralizing. Many do not care, and many do.

Peter, sure, some care, but enough to give up on an already slabbed high end card they want? I doubt that.

This whole post is on that psa 9 Irvin. Keep us posted if the buyer send back to the auction. Or if the auction comes out with a statement.

[Johnny630]

A lot of good prospectives on this post, I appreciate what Drew and Snow have to say. They’re keeping it real, it’s the reality of the situation. Sure cards may be trimmed in holders and they may have turned a 30$ into a $30,000 card but what can you do about it other than talk, nothing. It’s the way things are, I go back to a quote once told to me by a wise veteran on the job, he told me, John, you might not like it but some things you just have to accept or it will drive you crazy.

As far as disclosing we are thinking way to highly of people, with the monies these cards are worth in holders, that's sugar pie in the sky fairy tales and daisies.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, sure, some care, but enough to give up on an already slabbed high end card they want? I doubt that.

This whole post is on that psa 9 Irvin. Keep us posted if the buyer send back to the auction. Or if the auction comes out with a statement.

When Brent offered refunds for cards that had been outed, plenty of people sent theirs back because they didn't want them. I suppose some could have been motivated by fear the card would be tainted for a future sale, but I would bet a lot that many genuinely did not want them. Don't underestimate how some of us, particularly of a certain age, grew up in a hobby where trimming and recoloring were viewed as unethical, and altered cards were vile.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

When Brent offered refunds for cards that had been outed, plenty of people sent theirs back because they didn't want them. I suppose some could have been motivated by fear the card would be tainted for a future sale, but I would bet a lot that many genuinely did not want them. Don't underestimate how some of us, particularly of a certain age, grew up in a hobby where trimming and recoloring were viewed as unethical, and altered cards were vile.

Peter, I also agree it is unethical, but I am a realist and this era of card collecting is total different than 10 or 20 years ago. We are in a brave world here.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

Peter, I also agree it is unethical, but I am a realist and this era of card collecting is total different than 10 or 20 years ago. We are in a brave world here.

Are you sure there are more cards being doctored today than 10-20 years ago, as opposed to just more of a concerted effort today and better tools to out doctored cards?

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Are you sure there are more cards being doctored today than 10-20 years ago, as opposed to just more of a concerted effort today and better tools to out doctored cards?

The latter. Much better tools than before. I am sure AI will make this work easier in the future.

Before bidding/buying any slabbed card, I now make it point to check the cert and any past sales before I jump right in.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

The latter. Much better tools than before. I am sure AI will make this work easier in the future.

Before bidding/buying any slabbed card, I now make it point to check the cert and any past sales before I jump right in.

The AI models would still have to be trained by humans though

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Are you sure there are more cards being doctored today than 10-20 years ago, as opposed to just more of a concerted effort today and better tools to out doctored cards?

Yes, definitely. The question is to what extent? 2x? 5x?10x? More? Who knows. But it's far easier to get a micro trimmed modern card through grading than a vintage one. And now that the internet has effectively published a library of the different types of alterations that are possible along with the various techniques and tutorial videos on offer, paired with the overall growth of the hobby and a diverging opinion amongst younger collectors about what even qualifies as an alteration to begin with, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that the number of altered cards being submitted for grading today is probably at least an order of magnitude higher than it was 15 years ago.