Wander Franco...

[bk400]

Originally Posted by todeen

Today he was placed on Admin Leave, with the expectation he will not return this season. Considering this is a legal matter, I would be shocked if he returns next season. I did find it interesting though, he will continue to get service time accrual and paid until the matter is settled. I understand payment, but accruing service time should not be part of the deal.

His card prices are tanking. What he did was worse than Bauer.

Bauer is blackballed because he seems to make poor life choices. One can easily deduct that his drone/hand accident hurt the Indians playoff hopes in 2016. If he had been healthy, they might have had a better stronger bullpen; Andrew Miller was superman, but even he was tired running on fumes. Bauer pitched a loss in Game 2 of the WS because he couldn't throw off speed.

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I am a total novice when it comes to collecting for profit, so I would love to understand the logic behind those people who bought his refractor rookie cards for $200 to $300 over the past three days. Was the view that he would be exonerated and his reputation would remain intact? Seems like there really should be no bid. I mean, you can get Lawrence Taylor rookie cards for a fraction of what they should be worth because he got involved in the underage stuff. And this was after he made the HOF and was consensus top 1-3 as the best defender in NFL history.

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by bk400

I am a total novice when it comes to collecting for profit, so I would love to understand the logic behind those people who bought his refractor rookie cards for $200 to $300 over the past three days. Was the view that he would be exonerated and his reputation would remain intact? Seems like there really should be no bid. I mean, you can get Lawrence Taylor rookie cards for a fraction of what they should be worth because he got involved in the underage stuff. And this was after he made the HOF and was consensus top 1-3 as the best defender in NFL history.

Lawrence Taylor 9’s regularly sell for over 400 bucks and were pushing a grand during the pandemic run-up. That’s not bad for an 80’s era mass produced Rookie card IMO. Especially for a non-QB not named Jerry Rice.

Collectors and fans have short memories when it comes to generational talents.

Whether this Franco kid qualifies for that title eventually, is an entirely different question.

[mrreality68]

I do not like that the players get paid while on administrative leave. For the first week I think they should get paid but if they need to extend it then that means they found something that potentially validates the claim.
To me the money should go in an escrow account and then if the player is cleared they get the money.
If the player is found guilty and the player will be suspended or whatever then the money is forfeited just like when they are suspend they lose that pay.

Never happen of course since the player association protects their players even during the worst of situations like domestic violence.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I do not like that the players get paid while on administrative leave. For the first week I think they should get paid but if they need to extend it then that means they found something that potentially validates the claim.

To me the money should go in an escrow account and then if the player is cleared they get the money.

If the player is found guilty and the player will be suspended or whatever then the money is forfeited just like when they are suspend they lose that pay.



Never happen of course since the player association protects their players even during the worst of situations like domestic violence.

Admin leave outside of baseball has two paths, with pay and without. Without pay usually means you have done something against the company you work for, or is being used as a consequence of your actions which you admitted - or were caught red handed.

Leave with pay is because our Justice system stands behind "innocent until proven guilty." It would be totally wrong to remove his source of income that he needs to pay bail, lawyers, court fees etc while trying to prove his innocence. I'm sure his contract has some statement that the team can seek reparations if he breaks the terms of his contract. I'm sure there is some form of morality clause included seeing that Domestic Violence policy was signed in 2015. Rays can then take him to court to recover wages they paid during this time he was under investigation.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

Lawrence Taylor 9’s regularly sell for over 400 bucks and were pushing a grand during the pandemic run-up. That’s not bad for an 80’s era mass produced Rookie card IMO. Especially for a non-QB not named Jerry Rice.

Collectors and fans have short memories when it comes to generational talents.

Whether this Franco kid qualifies for that title eventually, is an entirely different question.

OJ rookies aren't being given away, are they?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by bk400

I am a total novice when it comes to collecting for profit, so I would love to understand the logic behind those people who bought his refractor rookie cards for $200 to $300 over the past three days. Was the view that he would be exonerated and his reputation would remain intact? Seems like there really should be no bid. I mean, you can get Lawrence Taylor rookie cards for a fraction of what they should be worth because he got involved in the underage stuff. And this was after he made the HOF and was consensus top 1-3 as the best defender in NFL history.

I suspect it is more that these people may not have been following the news. I doubt any informed person is investing in Wander now, his career is over independent of actual guilt.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by bk400

I am a total novice when it comes to collecting for profit, so I would love to understand the logic behind those people who bought his refractor rookie cards for $200 to $300 over the past three days. Was the view that he would be exonerated and his reputation would remain intact? Seems like there really should be no bid. I mean, you can get Lawrence Taylor rookie cards for a fraction of what they should be worth because he got involved in the underage stuff. And this was after he made the HOF and was consensus top 1-3 as the best defender in NFL history.

People are often blind to logic. These are the same flippers or fans that are thinking they can buy the dip and get a card at a fraction of the price and it will return to normal. It's pure and utter speculation gambling. Yes, they are selling for 300 bucks in the dump off, however these exact same cards were selling for a minimum of 10 times that just weeks earlier.

If you are a novice and think he really could return, buying a 4-5k card on August 10th for just 300 bucks on August 17th seems like a steal. Really I see no chance for that holding as it dies down, but until a completion comes to the case people will still be trying to make a buck.

Hell, people are still buying Henry Ruggs III cards for 300 bucks if they are rare enough, look it up. People are just odd.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by JustinD

People are often blind to logic. These are the same flippers or fans that are thinking they can buy the dip and get a card at a fraction of the price and it will return to normal. It's pure and utter speculation gambling. Yes, they are selling for 300 bucks in the dump off, however these exact same cards were selling for a minimum of 10 times that just weeks earlier.



If you are a novice and think he really could return, buying a 4-5k card on August 10th for just 300 bucks on August 17th seems like a steal. Really I see no chance for that holding as it dies down, but until a completion comes to the case people will still be trying to make a buck.



Hell, people are still buying Henry Ruggs III cards for 300 bucks if they are rare enough, look it up. People are just odd.

Second this opinion.

I would not "buy the dip" in this case. What a stupid term, I've never really liked it while talking about cards. They do exist, but this one feels very different than a sophomore slump. The 2008 - 2013 dip years had some fantastic deals if you had money to spend.

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[Peter_Spaeth]

More a falling knife than a dip.

[Shoeless Moe]

What about Kobe "the Rapist" Bryant and Ben "the Rapist" Rothleisburger.

Their stuff still goes for a premium.

Oh that's right.....if you pay your victim/accuser off then it lessens it.

Both scumbags.

[todeen]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

What about Kobe "the Rapist" Bryant and Ben "the Rapist" Rothleisburger.



Their stuff still goes for a premium.



Oh that's right.....if you pay your victim/accuser off then it lessens it.



Both scumbags.

Not disagreeing with you. But I don't collect those sports. As a Reds fan, I chose not to collect Pete Rose. The more I hear about him, the less I can stomach him as an athlete.

I also think MLB Commissioner is trying to be less forgiving than football and basketball. What he did to Bauer for lesser charges appears to be where Franco is headed.

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[ronniehatesjazz]

Originally Posted by todeen

Not disagreeing with you. But I don't collect those sports. As a Reds fan, I chose not to collect Pete Rose. The more I hear about him, the less I can stomach him as an athlete.

I also think MLB Commissioner is trying to be less forgiving than football and basketball. What he did to Bauer for lesser charges appears to be where Franco is headed.

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I’m the same way Tim… from Cincinnati and a huge Reds fan. Always thought Rose was scum but he was like a god in the city when I was a kid, and that was after his banishment. I never cared for Rose but had to respect him for the record and what he meant to Cincinnati. I have just continually lost respect for him for all sorts of reasons since he finally admitted to gambling. What’s worse than that though is when I learned he was more-or-less Wander before Wander.

[JustinD]

Originally Posted by todeen

Second this opinion.

I would not "buy the dip" in this case. What a stupid term, I've never really liked it while talking about cards. They do exist, but this one feels very different than a sophomore slump. The 2008 - 2013 dip years had some fantastic deals if you had money to spend.

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I used "buy the dip" to infer sarcasm toward the card investor crowd, not in a real way. I love to read Wall Street Bets on reddit for a laugh and it's now ingrained in my memory as a fun noob identifier.

[rjackson44]

theres a guy that paid 200 k for some orange super fractor,wonder how he feels .oh boy

[packs]

If it comes out that these rumors are only rumors I don't see it staining Franco long term. Especially if he continues to produce when he's back. Otherwise, any substantiation of the rumors will cost him his career.

He isn't at a point in his career where he can be compared to Kobe Bryant or Mike Tyson or anyone else like that. Even Jerry Seinfeld has managed to make people forget he dated a 17 year old high school senior while he was 39 years old.

[G1911]

Originally Posted by packs

If it comes out that these rumors are only rumors I don't see it staining Franco long term. Especially if he continues to produce when he's back. Otherwise, any substantiation of the rumors will cost him his career.

He isn't at a point in his career where he can be compared to Kobe Bryant or Mike Tyson or anyone else like that. Even Jerry Seinfeld has managed to make people forget he dated a 17 year old high school senior while he was 39 years old.

It's the post-factual world, the narrative is set. Bauer's case turned into not only a not guilty, but the accusers own phone proved that he was completely innocent and she lied. It doesn't matter. He's still kicked out of the league, dumped on, and half+ don't care whatsoever because the idea he is guilty is more comeaptivel with their desire and worldview. Once the media has him labelled a pedo, nothing will exonerate his reputation. He could be the most innocent man on Earth but it wouldn't matter.

Kobe, Tyson, Seinfeld are from a different time.