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Or the price umbrella that the fraud creates makes money for them.
Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...
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I posted similar on the CU boards, that in a hobby full of crooks this will have no impact on BBCE. We tolerate criminals and cheats to get the best stuff, why would anyone hold a hobby good guy that made a mistake to a higher standard?

All that said, for me this make me wonder how much bad product is under BBCE wrap. Maybe we have put too much faith in their ability to authenticate product that will never be opened. I mean how hard would it really be to rewrap a pack, box or case. Clearly not that hard.
Not to excuse it, but I think it's not unusual for people in many professions eventually to get a bit of Dunning-Kruger syndrome and as a result of overconfidence, maybe cut corners or not be as diligent as they should be, or even get out over their skis in terms of taking on tasks they probably aren't qualified for.
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Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...
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Some people in this hobby don't collect cards, they only collect money/cash/profits.
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Seems like this one has come off the rails. Maybe a little off topic, but it very difficult to prove that old wax packs haven’t been tampered with? That’s why I have never been interested in paying $$ for graded wax no matter who slabbed it.
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Agreed. In those cases, they're collecting money. You know that saying about the love of money and the root of all evil...
Not accusing anyone here specifically, but my belief is there has been a huge conspiracy of silence in the hobby about fraudsters for exactly this reason. Insiders have known for years who's doing what to cards.
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Not accusing anyone here specifically, but my belief is there has been a huge conspiracy of silence in the hobby about fraudsters for exactly this reason. Insiders have known for years who's doing what to cards.
100% true because they have benefited from it or plan to benefit from it too. I have to admit collectors can be just as bad they want to believe their beloved cards are 100% legit and only go up in value so the keep hush.

It’s the don’t bite the hand that feeds you mentality. Even if the hand that’s feeding you is dishonest.
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Ironic that this forum seems to have more contempt for an honorable guy like Steve Hart who admittedly fucked up than the countless criminals trimming and otherwise altering cards, knowingly selling altered cards, knowingly GRADING altered cards, shilling auctions, knowingly selling fake memorabilia, and so forth.
Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.
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Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.
I'm sorry, who is looking the other way exactly? Are you talking about certain dealers, or auction houses or what?
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Of course. The transparency of people is stunning...and not in a good way. The criminals who trim and shill are offering things most of the hobby needs. As long as you are offering them cards on they need and you can ship them quickly and affordably, it is super easy to look the other way for fraud. Steve only has value to a small part of the hobby.
This is Spot On !!!! On This board a lot of guys care about the trimming and shilling. In the modern market most could give a darn less. Manny on Facebook and ebay buying have no idea about PWCC or the info on blowout.

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Law enforcement?

Any collector who has held his nose and dealt with the likes of PWCC?
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how is that a 10 perforated if it has been trimmed?
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how is that a 10 perforated if it has been trimmed?
it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty
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it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty
To my eye, no way that should be a 10. Perforations or no perforations.
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To my eye, no way that should be a 10. Perforations or no perforations.
Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.
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Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.
What part is BS? Sure looks to have a 10 on the slab unless it is photoshopped.
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What part is BS? Sure looks to have a 10 on the slab unless it is photoshopped.
Every word of this, for starters.

"it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty"
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Every word of this, for starters.

"it has perforations on top, right, and bottom. left side is the edge of the sheet. it's a beauty"
C'mon you know the label is all that maters to PSA slab collectors and it clearly has a 10 on it. The rest is totally irrelevant.
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Here's one with actual perforations. Right side, not left, is the edge of the sheet. Calling BS on that 10 until proven wrong.
Looks like they had multiple sheet layouts. I found a few like lowpopper posted.
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Fair enough, to that extent I stand corrected.
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Right, but I assume from the raw cards that Ben and I posted, as well as my knowledge of Si for Kids sheets, you get major perforations when you separate them manually.
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Right, but I assume from the raw cards that Ben and I posted, as well as my knowledge of Si for Kids sheets, you get major perforations when you separate them manually.

Perforations can be scored before separation to limit the fibers from separating roughly
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How is that not altering the card? It should be an AUTH, as are many of the SI Kids cards that have been done that way.
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How is that not altering the card? It should be an AUTH, as are many of the SI Kids cards that have been done that way.

It is just a cleaner way of separating the cards before the perforations are trimmed almost completely off.
I say it looks good enough for a Purple sticker.
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He's of a certain generation. Maybe he doesn't follow social media/Pokemon forums/whatever.
I'm of a certain generation (and I don't like it). I don't even know Pokemon forums existed.
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It is just a cleaner way of separating the cards before the perforations are trimmed almost completely off.
I say it looks good enough for a Purple sticker.
Maybe so, but not a 10.
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I once said on this board that it all was a "BILLION DOLLAR FRAUD" .

Are the naysayers still talking shit?

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It's just amazing what this guy does for Pokemon cards. It kind of reminds me of what David Peck did for wrestling cards. These guys are truly in love with this stuff and they could do it all day every day. They're not like Gary Vaynerchuk, who was dancing with his pom poms during the pandemic, and poof, just vanished!
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