BST Flippers

[Fred]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Feels odd to sell something nice on BST at what is a very reasonable price to a fellow board member, only to see it at an AH very quickly for more than I sold it for.

Yeah, I realize, that's how it works. When you sell something to someone they can do what ever than want with it. Just seems like when I sell to a board member I'm selling at a good price to a fellow collector and assume they are collecting it and not flipping.

I know, get over it.

If the item has been on the BST for a long time and nobody picked it up, then all good, take a chance (pick it up and try to resell it). However, if a board member puts something up on the BST at a fairly reasonable price, then, just my opinion, don't immediately purchase the item to put it up for sale again. Allow a board member to get it for their collection. If a lot of time passes and nobody has bought it, then it's fair game.

It would be nice to think that the members on this board are considerate of other board members as hobbyist first, and not a bunch of capitalistic butt heads that just want to make a dime off the hobby.

[glynparson]

Originally Posted by Fred

If the item has been on the BST for a long time and nobody picked it up, then all good, take a chance (pick it up and try to resell it). However, if a board member puts something up on the BST at a fairly reasonable price, then, just my opinion, don't immediately purchase the item to put it up for sale again. Allow a board member to get it for their collection. If a lot of time passes and nobody has bought it, then it's fair game.

It would be nice to think that the members on this board are considerate of other board members as hobbyist first, and not a bunch of capitalistic butt heads that just want to make a dime off the hobby.

Are you going to pay my bills why I wait for some arbitrary bs time frame to pass. When did collectors become so entitled? Don’t want to see your item up for resale so quick don’t ask a price that leaves meat on the bone.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Are you going to pay my bills why I wait for some arbitrary bs time frame to pass. When did collectors become so entitled? Don’t want to see your item up for resale so quick don’t ask a price that leaves meat on the bone.

Entitled - No. A collector/hobbyist - Yes. Do you believe waiting a week is going to solve someone's problems with paying bills? That's really insightful.

[rhettyeakley]

I don't get too annoyed by it, it is theirs to do with what they want.

I do get upset when someone gets you to sell something either cheaper or something you weren't really looking to sell because they had been "looking for the card forever" or it is their "dream card" to then see it a few days/weeks later for sale. That will tick me off.

[frankbmd]

This thread is basically the reason why I do not post the actual sold for price in my listing. I try to price high enough to not only satisfy myself, but also to discourage flippers. I am never selling out of need to sell, at least not yet.

But past experience with a buyer matters when it comes to discounts.

For me $NOT SOLD is okay, and so is $OLD.

For clarity here, I do not sell snot.

If nothing sells in a lot, I may offer a discount as a percentage reduction without changing the asking price.

I am not a fan of sequential price reductions to bump a BST listing that is initially listed well above market value.

I do not assume any responsibility for not following any of the rules or preferences above.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

For clarity here, I do not sell snot

Just to be clear, what is the going rate for snot from a retired Obgyn living in Palm Springs?

[Bpm0014]

Net54 needs to institute a rule.

Once you purchase a card, you must hold onto it for a minimum of 5 years.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Just to be clear, what is the going rate for snot from a retired Obgyn living in Palm Springs?

I’ve done some deliveries but I’m not an ObGyn.

I do not live in Palm Springs but I’ve been there.

I am retired though and I am living.

That said I would say $7.00/shot.

That price was determined by a snowman algorithm regressed to the mean and differentiated to account for viscosity variations, before multiplying by pi and dividing by the lowest common denominator of 2562 and 7833.

I can also reassure you that a Koufax curve ball does not drop faster than a sine wave.

Oh and I do have an Ivy League degree in Mathematics. There was no one in our program who knew Snowman.

[SAllen2556]

Would it be considered rude or against the unwritten rules to state when selling, "No dealers please". Nothing personal, but people who buy a card and flip it for a quick profit kinda piss me off, and it would really piss me off if it was my card. And yes, I know it's wrong to feel that way, but all dealers do is help to jack up prices.

[Snapolit1]

Good comments.

Like someone said, there are a lot of reasons why people sell. Sometimes I buy a bit too much and feel like I need to sell to balance the scales a little. Sometimes I have my heart set on something and then something else comes along and I want more and all of a sudden would like some collecting cash on hand. Can be a lot of reasons.

People can sell anything they want. I get it. I guess there is a part of me that thinks "Yeah, I could have sold at an AH for $1000 too with a little more effort . . . . but I sold it someone here for $600 because I was trying to do a good thing for a fellow collector and not milk them to the last drop."

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Good comments.

Like someone said, there are a lot of reasons why people sell. Sometimes I buy a bit too much and feel like I need to sell to balance the scales a little. Sometimes I have my heart set on something and then something else comes along and I want more and all of a sudden would like some collecting cash on hand. Can be a lot of reasons.

People can sell anything they want. I get it. I guess there is a part of me that thinks :Yeah, I could have sold at an AH for $1000 too with a little more effort . . . . but I sold it someone here for $600 because I was trying to do a good thing for a fellow collector and not milk them to the last drop."

No good deed goes unpunished, as they say.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by SAllen2556

Would it be considered rude or against the unwritten rules to state when selling, "No dealers please". Nothing personal, but people who buy a card and flip it for a quick profit kinda piss me off, and it would really piss me off if it was my card. And yes, I know it's wrong to feel that way, but all dealers do is help to jack up prices.

Dealers don't determine prices though. Buyers do.

If you want to sell something for below market to a fellow collector as a kind gesture, I think it's on you to ask the right questions first before selling it to someone. It's a kind gesture and I certainly see the value in it, but you would be wise to recognize that this is a free market we all swim in, and if you just post some random card for half of what it's worth and let anyone buy it, no questions asked, you're effectively throwing meat out to the wolves. Whenever I "pay it forward", I always make sure I either know the buyer already or at least sniff them out first.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Dealers don't determine prices though. Buyers do.

If you want to sell something for below market to a fellow collector as a kind gesture, I think it's on you to ask the right questions first before selling it to someone. It's a kind gesture and I certainly see the value in it, but you would be wise to recognize that this is a free market we all swim in, and if you just post some random card for half of what it's worth and let anyone buy it, no questions asked, you're effectively throwing meat out to the wolves. Whenever I "pay it forward", I always make sure I either know the buyer already or at least sniff them out first.

And all potential buyers always tell the truth when sniffed, but are the wolves honest.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by glynparson

Are you going to pay my bills why I wait for some arbitrary bs time frame to pass. When did collectors become so entitled? Don’t want to see your item up for resale so quick don’t ask a price that leaves meat on the bone.

Yeah, don't be a nice guy and do a solid for someone . . . . squeeze them for every penny you can get. Sure. Good logic.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, don't be a nice guy and do a solid for someone . . . . squeeze them for every penny you can get. Sure. Good logic.

One of my favorite expressions since I learned it from a friend who grew up in Jersey.

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

One of my favorite expressions since I learned it from a friend who grew up in Jersey.

Lol. Well didn't grow up in Jersey but residing there last 26 years.

A real NY/NJ expression I like is "not for nothin . . . "

"Not for nothin. . .but I could have sent it to the auction house myself."

[drcy]

To me, the only legitimate complaint is when the buyer lies to the seller.

[Eric72]

Net54 feels more like a community to me than a trading platform. In fact, I find this to be its most endearing attribute.

People who treat it like a community are more inclined (in my opinion) to feel slighted when another member uses the site as a means to flip cards for a quick profit.

Early during my time here, there was a T206 Titus for sale on the BST. The seller didn't realize the card had risen dramatically in value. Consequently, their asking price was roughly 15% of the going rate at the time.

That BST thread turned into a discussion which I found fascinating. Quite a few members voiced opinions very similar to what I've read here.

[Carter08]

Originally Posted by Snapolit1

Yeah, don't be a nice guy and do a solid for someone . . . . squeeze them for every penny you can get. Sure. Good logic.

Ha agree. I’d hope n54 is to sort of look out for each other at least a little bit.