BST Flippers

[mrreality68]

I do not sell unless I am either upgrading or if it is something that is something I no longer want for my collection.
So if I sell it then it means I got the price that I wanted.
And it is a price the buyer is happy to pay so it is a positive transaction for all.
Once it is his/hers they can do as they chose.
If I wanted more for the price or felt I had better options then I should have explored them.
Since I did not and got what I agreed to sell it for then no complaints

The only time I would be frustrated if I only sold it because the person I was communicating with said they needed it for their collection to complete a set or what they needed. If they then flipped I am a little annoyed because i gave it up under false pretense and i thought I was helping them out. But again I sold it so it is theirs

[egri]

I'm not a big seller, but my take on it is once the buyer pays for the item, it's theirs. That being said, if a buyer told me it was for their collection, only for them to flip it a month later, I would feel mislead, and it would impact my future dealings with that buyer.

[Lorewalker]

When I offer something for sale I expect it is going to a collector since I do not wholesale. If that price ends up being less than it is worth and the buyer turns out to be a flipper or a dealer, who cares. Had my chance.

Have had guys try to get me to lower y price by telling me they are collectors and the card is for their PC and never being sold and then asking if I can do better. Answer is usually, nah.

[cgjackson222]

I think there are a variety of reasons one might choose to sell.

E.g. sometimes, I buy things from auction houses and then realize I don't really need them. Since I fear that the market is going to take a dive some time during the next year, I offload the card sooner rather than later. I don't try to sell for much more than I purchased the card for, but I wouldn't necessarily fault someone for doing so.

Or maybe someone's financial situation has changed, and they need to sell. Given how much the market is fluctuating right now, its hard to say what a fair price even is. Obviously the market decides as something is just worth what someone else is willing to pay.

I would be a bit annoyed if I sold something for a reasonable price to someone on Net54, and they turned around and sold it for a sizeable profit, but I also wouldn't be shocked.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by cgjackson222

I would be a bit annoyed if I sold something for a reasonable price to someone on Net54, and they turned around and sold it for a sizeable profit, but I also wouldn't be shocked.

I guess that is what I should have said in my post above. I too would find it annoying, but I know it happens and I would not be surprised or shocked.

[G1911]

I think it's all about context.

If it's a normal transaction with a stranger, the seller has no right to dislike it. They got their price, the buyer may do whatever they want. Of course, the buyer may always do what they want once it is their card, but there are many times I think they ethically should not flip, and the seller can rightfully be a bit annoyed by it.

For example, a significant chunk of my boxing collection has come, from members here and elsewhere, with some personal understandings. What I collect in that realm tends to be tough material that one simply cannot go get elsewhere, but is only worth $20-$1,000, with great fluctuation because of the small buyer market that makes things hard to price, and gives sellers of very scarce material little incentive to move a card (if there's 6 of it known, why bother selling it for $100? $100 isn't going to make a fiscal difference for the seller, and the card is low risk, possible high reward if it's rarity ever catches on). I'm not so much getting a good deal usually in the financial sense of it's value in the here and now, but because I am a collector and not a seller (I occasionally sell duplicates after my trade/giveaway partners have picked my extras clean), people who otherwise would not sell have many times opened up items to me for my master set building. Personally, I feel that these deals come with a sometimes stated and sometimes unstated understanding: they are willing to part with the card largely because it is going to another collector who is not going to put the card back on the market and make it about money. If I turned around and then flipped that card, that wasn't really for sale originally until we got to talking and discussing our favored sets and my master set projects, the seller would be rightfully justified in feeling upset or angry over it, because they sold me the card essentially as a collector-helping-another-collector. I have even had some here decline my offer and sell me a particular card I need for less than what I offered them. If I was to turn around and flip it for money, this would be wrong.

Now, it would be my right in the legal sense to do anything I want as the card is now my property, but I would feel it was doing something wrong, and the seller would be justified in feeling the same way, as we did the deal in the context of one-collector-helping-another-collector and not a profit-centric deal. If it wasn't for these kinds of deals, I'd have nowhere near the amount of 'good' material that I have, and an actual majority of my 'best' cards I have secured in this way, from one collector to another, a card not really for sale originally that I acquired by virtue of not being a seller and being a part of the money side of the hobby. And of course, all of those cards are still in my well-loved collection with no real chance of entering the market again until my death.

[bnorth]

I only complain if the buyer gave me the it is for my collection and asks for and gets a discount. Otherwise I don't care if someone can instantly sell a card for way more than they paid me. I just flipped a card I recently bought on here for way more than I paid.

[x2drich2000]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

I do not sell unless I am either upgrading or if it is something that is something I no longer want for my collection.
So if I sell it then it means I got the price that I wanted.
And it is a price the buyer is happy to pay so it is a positive transaction for all.
Once it is his/hers they can do as they chose.
If I wanted more for the price or felt I had better options then I should have explored them.
Since I did not and got what I agreed to sell it for then no complaints

The only time I would be frustrated if I only sold it because the person I was communicating with said they needed it for their collection to complete a set or what they needed. If they then flipped I am a little annoyed because i gave it up under false pretense and i thought I was helping them out. But again I sold it so it is theirs

100% agree, plus I would add there are many hobbyist, including myself, who support their collection by flipping cards. There is absolutely nothing wrong with doing so and to think less of people being hobbyist because they flip cards IMO is just wrong.

[jefferyepayne]

Originally Posted by mrreality68

The only time I would be frustrated if I only sold it because the person I was communicating with said they needed it for their collection to complete a set or what they needed. If they then flipped I am a little annoyed because i gave it up under false pretense and i thought I was helping them out. But again I sold it so it is theirs

This. I don't sell things unless they are doubles as I'm more of a hoarder than a collector at this point, LOL. But when I do sell something, it's only to someone who has expressed interest in something I have that they need for their collection. A few times such a person has turned around and sold the item pretty quickly.

I agree that once I sell it, it is theirs. But that doesn't mean I have to ever sell to them again which I don't.

jeff

[mrreality68]

Originally Posted by jefferyepayne

This. I don't sell things unless they are doubles as I'm more of a hoarder than a collector at this point, LOL. But when I do sell something, it's only to someone who has expressed interest in something I have that they need for their collection. A few times such a person has turned around and sold the item pretty quickly.

I agree that once I sell it, it is theirs. But that doesn't mean I have to ever sell to them again which I don't.

jeff

+1 Jeff well said

[JollyElm]

271. Flipclipper
Stopping someone dead in his tracks who’s trying to sweet-talk you out of a card for next to nothing, because you know full well he’s only looking to grab it to immediately resell it at a big profit.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

271. Flipclipper
Stopping someone dead in his tracks who’s trying to sweet-talk you out of a card for next to nothing, because you know full well he’s only looking to grab it to immediately resell it at a big profit.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought that was a crock-blocker.

[Jewish-collector]

This is why it isn't a good idea to sell cards to a friend.

[Snapolit1]

I hate when someone resuscitates a thread of something I was bitching about 8 months ago and can no longer remember the point or what set me off.