Poll: response to recent PWCC revelations

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

I wonder if the great lyricist Frank Burkett can do a version of Tainted Love called Tainted Stuff?

Tainted Stuff

PWCC I've got to run away
I've got to stay away
From the stuff you drive into the heart of me
The love we share has ended in dispair.
Since you've lost your light to Gary you turn - can you sleep at night
Once I ran to you
now I'll run from you
This tainted stuff you've given
supported by your tenets, don't justify
Take my tears and refund, refund my
Tainted stuff, tainted stuff
Now I know I've got to run away

I've got Blowout to show me the way.
You now really want them to just shut up
To make things right you need someone to lock you up
And you think the hobby needs your stuff, but
tainted stuff is now on display
The jokers will run to you
filling your pockets is the only fun to you
But this tainted stuff you're peddling
Will get the authorities meddling
Take my name off your list
Of tainted stuff, tainted stuff
Me and my friends are really pissed.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sing it accompanying yourself on sax and post the video.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sing it accompanying yourself on sax and post the video.

I want to be the guy who just plays the "DANH DANH" on the keyboard.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Sam I have shared what I know with law enforcement. They read the boards and any time they want to talk to me again they know how to reach me. I'm not outing names on a public message board at this point. Candidly, it carries risks and when I see person after person posting they are going to buy anyway I don't see much point. Most of these guys aren't selling directly anyhow, so outing the names would not help anyone avoid them. My point is simply to convey that the recent revelations are not isolated and people who care need to be very diligent.

The gist of the conversation I referenced was that that AH regularly took consignments of cards from card doctors, and that many of his fellow AHs did the same, and that any collector who truly cared about not having altered cards needed to be very careful buying high grade cards out of AHs. I think that's probably true nowadays for mid grade significant cards with high eye appeal too, I'm sorry to say. It affects a whole lot of us.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sam I have shared what I know with law enforcement. They read the boards and any time they want to talk to me again they know how to reach me. I'm not outing names on a public message board at this point. Candidly, it carries risks and when I see person after person posting they are going to buy anyway I don't see much point. Most of these guys aren't selling directly anyhow, so outing the names would not help anyone avoid them. My point is simply to convey that the recent revelations are not isolated and people who care need to be very diligent.

The gist of the conversation I referenced was that that AH regularly took consignments of cards from card doctors, and that many of his fellow AHs did the same, and that any collector who truly cared about not having altered cards needed to be very careful buying high grade cards out of AHs. I think that's probably true nowadays for mid grade significant cards with high eye appeal too, I'm sorry to say. It affects a whole lot of us.

Yes... mid-grade is impacted perhaps the most. There is a new flood of exposed cards that has not even been discussed here...

Anyone who voted for the 3rd option in the poll really needs to read the Mantle thread on Blowout. If it’s too long for you, just review pages 110 - 116 which are the most recent. These card doctors can even repair actual tears in the card and get them past PSA. The scope of this is far wider than PSA portrays, and likely much more prevalent than many people here are aware.

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[mechanicalman]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Sam I have shared what I know with law enforcement. They read the boards and any time they want to talk to me again they know how to reach me. I'm not outing names on a public message board at this point. Candidly, it carries risks and when I see person after person posting they are going to buy anyway I don't see much point. Most of these guys aren't selling directly anyhow, so outing the names would not help anyone avoid them. My point is simply to convey that the recent revelations are not isolated and people who care need to be very diligent.

The gist of the conversation I referenced was that that AH regularly took consignments of cards from card doctors, and that many of his fellow AHs did the same, and that any collector who truly cared about not having altered cards needed to be very careful buying high grade cards out of AHs. I think that's probably true nowadays for mid grade significant cards with high eye appeal too, I'm sorry to say. It affects a whole lot of us.

Thanks for the response. I do appreciate you sharing what you know with people who might be able to do something. Let's hope they do.

[HRBAKER]

Bottom line it seems is that a large portion of the hobby doesn't know and will likely never know about most of this. That leaves a smaller portion in which a significant amount of folks care less about bad acts/actors and being cheated than not getting what they want.

As long as the flip is "the coin of the realm" ain't much going to change in my opinion.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Tainted Stuff

PWCC I've got to run away
I've got to stay away
From the stuff you drive into the heart of me
The love we share has ended in dispair.
Since you've lost your light to Gary you turn - can you sleep at night
Once I ran to you
now I'll run from you
This tainted stuff you've given
supported by your tenets, don't justify
Take my tears and refund, refund my
Tainted stuff, tainted stuff
Now I know I've got to run away

I've got Blowout to show me the way.
You now really want them to just shut up
To make things right you need someone to lock you up
And you think the hobby needs your stuff, but
tainted stuff is now on display
The jokers will run to you
filling your pockets is the only fun to you
But this tainted stuff you're peddling
Will get the authorities meddling
Take my name off your list
Of tainted stuff, tainted stuff
Me and my friends are really pissed.

Darn it, Frank - I think I stained an oblique laughing at that!


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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Darn it, Frank - I think I stained an oblique laughing at that!


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PWCC can send it to Moser to have it removed

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

PWCC can send it to Moser to have it removed

While I definitely 'fat-fingered' that, it's actually funnier that way.

At my age, I actually can 'stain' things when laughing...and that's no laughing matter.


You're missing a lot in life if you can't laugh at yourself.