Poll: response to recent PWCC revelations

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yeah, I’m beginning to think there’s nothing more we can do. Of the people polled, over half now say they’ll still buy from PWCC, as opposed to those who’s minds have changed. And that’s within a forum devoted specifically to advanced collectors... must be a far greater percentage when you incorporate collectors who aren’t even aware of net54 or BO.

I suppose no amount of overwhelming evidence will sway them. I was completely unaware of the number of people who are in this just for money. A real eye-opener.

It is not about money its about supply.

I just checked my EBAY history and the last purchase I made through PWCC was September 26 and I spent $20.80 before shipping. Their shipping by the way is miles ahead of almost all EBAY participants. These two cards I won well below my max bids.

Prior to that I won a card on July 26th for $90. Guess what there hasn't been one listed since. We are approaching a year.

I could live without all three of these cards but in June they listed a card I really wanted. I am not going to just let someone else win that card I want because the internet thinks I should boycott a seller.

You will notice all that have said they will continue to purchase from them haven't once said those that wouldn't are stupid. The same can't be said for the opposite.

I am betting on human behavior and I believe the supply will continue to attract the bids.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

It is not about money its about supply.

I just checked my EBAY history and the last purchase I made through PWCC was September 26 and I spent $20.80 before shipping. Their shipping by the way is miles ahead of almost all EBAY participants. These two cards I won well below my max bids.

Prior to that I won a card on July 26th for $90. Guess what there hasn't been one listed since. We are approaching a year.

I could live without all three of these cards but in June they listed a card I really wanted. I am not going to just let someone else win that card I want because the internet thinks I should boycott a seller.

You will notice all that have said they will continue to purchase from them haven't once said those that wouldn't are stupid. The same can't be said for the opposite.

I am betting on human behavior and I believe the supply will continue to attract the bids.

You do you. Just don't cry to anyone when it burns you. They sell altered cards. Caught red-handed. Most collectors don't like altered cards. You can't say squat if/when it affects your collection negatively. I have probably spent thousands with PWCC, which means I probably have some altered cards in my collection and so do you. Never getting a penny again. You can do whatever you want.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

You do you. Just don't cry to anyone when it burns you. They sell altered cards. Caught red-handed. Most collectors don't like altered cards. You can't say squat if/when it affects your collection negatively. I have probably spent thousands with PWCC, which means I probably have some altered cards in my collection and so do you. Never getting a penny again. You can do whatever you want.

So are you going to boycott Probstein?

Many of the people who send cards to PWCC use him too.

[Dpeck100]

If you do a search by PSA on EBAY by highest price 20 of the top 25 cards with bids being auctioned off right now are through PWCC.

For collectors to simply boycott them isn't going to be easy.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

If you do a search by PSA on EBAY by highest price 20 of the top 25 cards with bids being auctioned off right now are through PWCC.

For collectors to simply boycott them isn't going to be easy.

It's easy for me. I see their listings, I move along. I spend my money elsewhere. If that's hard for you or anyone else, that's a personal issue.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

If you do a search by PSA on EBAY by highest price 20 of the top 25 cards with bids being auctioned off right now are through PWCC.

For collectors to simply boycott them isn't going to be easy.

Just means a new group of soon to be disappointed buyers.

Yeah it is easy to never bid with them again. For me. Just like a decision not to do business with any other crook is easy. For me. PWCC sells altered shit. You are ok with that. Fine. But don’t act like the rest of us are nuts for making a stand.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Just means a new group of soon to be disappointed buyers.

Yeah it is easy to never bid with them again. For me. Just like a decision not to do business with any other crook is easy. For me. PWCC sells altered shit. You are ok with that. Fine. But don’t act like the rest of us are nuts for making a stand.

and some of us are emboldened to make a stand, even if we are continuously told we cant make a shade of difference

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

and some of us are emboldened to make a stand, even if we are continuously told we cant make a shade of difference

Great but the response from this board has been those who won't are evil and should be avoided. Everyone should be able to make their own decisions and what is right for me might not be right for you.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

So are you going to boycott Probstein?

Many of the people who send cards to PWCC use him too.

I'm boycotting PWCC. Probstein has nothing to do with PWCC.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

I'm boycotting PWCC. Probstein has nothing to do with PWCC.

...but, he's still DEAD to me!!!


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[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

So are you going to boycott Probstein?

Many of the people who send cards to PWCC use him too.

I know right?

Funny how the Blow out detectives haven't found any cards linked to him

edited maybe one or two bought, none sold I believe

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I know right?

Funny how the Blow out detectives haven't found any cards linked to him

edited maybe one or two bought, none sold I believe

If you can show that Probstein has done the same crap, then show us. I know they have a shady history too, but not to this extent, to my knowledge, so far.

[Dpeck100]

Originally Posted by sportscardtheory

If you can show that Probstein has done the same crap, then show us. I know they have a shady history too, but not to this extent, to my knowledge, so far.

I know for fact the same names that you see listed on Blowout send cards to both.

People are fooling themselves if they think that somehow they insulate themselves by avoiding PWCC.

One of the names that was listed a month or so back runs his own auctions. I was outed as someone who had made a comment about winning a card from him.

[sportscardtheory]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I know for fact the same names that you see listed on Blowout send cards to both.

People are fooling themselves if they think that somehow they insulate themselves by avoiding PWCC.

One of the names that was listed a month or so back runs his own auctions. I was outed as someone who had made a comment about winning a card from him.

I can see the mountain of evidence against PWCC. You are MORE than welcome to show me reoccurring and consistent evidence from any other seller and/or consignor. I'll be waiting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Dpeck100

I know for fact the same names that you see listed on Blowout send cards to both.

People are fooling themselves if they think that somehow they insulate themselves by avoiding PWCC.

One of the names that was listed a month or so back runs his own auctions. I was outed as someone who had made a comment about winning a card from him.

Dave do you think Gary does or are you referring to the modern guys whose names were mentioned?

[brad31]

There was a post on another message board where this card had been called out on Blowout - Probstein was alerted, ended the auction and relisted the card as altered.

This card has been repatched.

Maybe something will come out - but given the chance to do the same thing on the Mantle PWCC did not.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/ALTERED-200...d=362623039502

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

I know right?

Funny how the Blow out detectives haven't found any cards linked to him

edited maybe one or two bought, none sold I believe

It's difficult to find something you're not looking for.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

It's difficult to find something you're not looking for.

yes, reminds one of Diogenes of Sinope. Almost poetic Jesse!

[sportscardtheory]

Isn't anyone free to expose hobby fraud? You want others to do the work for you? PWCC, PSA and BGS have been outed. It's not on everyone else to expose others. Seems like you are just deflecting.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

yes, reminds one of Diogenes of Sinope. Almost poetic Jesse!

He might have to look long and hard for the honest man in this hobby.
At least among the major players.