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| View Poll Results: Do Baines and/or Smith belong in the Hall of Fame? | |||
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12-12-2018, 01:38 PM
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Kaline and Baines
There are two huge differences between the two.
First, Kaline was an awesome right fielder, whereas Baines was a DH. In Kaline's best defensive season he saved 29 runs more than an average right fielder, whereas Brooks Robinson, possibly the greatest defensive player of all time, had only two seasons in which he saved more runs than that above an average third baseman. (Brooks pulls far ahead over the course of his career, but at his best Kaline was comparable to Brooks at his best.) Baines' best season was 8 runs above average, he was often below average in the field, and his spent most of his career as a DH. The other big difference is that Kaline played through the mini-deadball era in the 1960s, whereas Baines mostly played in a much higher-scoring environment. So although their raw offensive numbers are pretty similar, once you adjust for the difficulty in putting up those numbers, Kaline comes out much better. (Maybe you have to do some complementary adjusting to their respective defensive numbers, but the defensive gap between the two is so huge that it's not going to make that much of a difference.) 
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12-12-2018, 02:02 PM
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Al Kaline was a 15 time all star and first ballot HOFer. There can be no serious equivalence here.
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12-12-2018, 05:10 PM
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12-12-2018, 07:12 PM
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Kaline was my childhood hero. I have one of the top Kaline Master Collections on PSA. I was just showing how stats between Kaline and Baines, even though very close, there is no comparison between the two. It's amazing though how just looking at the offensive stats that they are that close ( between a first ballot HOF'er and someone very few of us consider a HOF'er).
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12-12-2018, 07:18 PM
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I'm upset they picked Baines over Dave Parker. Parker was the more complete player and more dangerous hitter.
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