Poll: do Baines and/or Smith belong in the Hall?

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

“From each according to his ability and to each according to his needs”
A hall of fame for all, diverse and inclusive

Or

“I wouldn’t want to be a member of a hall of fame that would have me as a member”

Vote now

Marx, Marx, Both Marx or No Marx

Harpo and Groucho YES.

Chico, Zeppo, Gummo, and Karl NO.

Harpo is my favorite Marx Brother.

[clydepepper]

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Harpo and Groucho YES.

Chico, Zeppo, Gummo, and Karl NO.

Harpo is my favorite Marx Brother.

Chico was pretty good on the piano.

to my knowledge, brothers Zeppo and Gummo were never part of the 'act'.

Harpo was my favorite too...classic mirror bit he did with Lucy!


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[nat]

There are two huge differences between the two.

First, Kaline was an awesome right fielder, whereas Baines was a DH. In Kaline's best defensive season he saved 29 runs more than an average right fielder, whereas Brooks Robinson, possibly the greatest defensive player of all time, had only two seasons in which he saved more runs than that above an average third baseman. (Brooks pulls far ahead over the course of his career, but at his best Kaline was comparable to Brooks at his best.) Baines' best season was 8 runs above average, he was often below average in the field, and his spent most of his career as a DH.

The other big difference is that Kaline played through the mini-deadball era in the 1960s, whereas Baines mostly played in a much higher-scoring environment. So although their raw offensive numbers are pretty similar, once you adjust for the difficulty in putting up those numbers, Kaline comes out much better. (Maybe you have to do some complementary adjusting to their respective defensive numbers, but the defensive gap between the two is so huge that it's not going to make that much of a difference.)

[Peter_Spaeth]

Al Kaline was a 15 time all star and first ballot HOFer. There can be no serious equivalence here.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Al Kaline was a 15 time all star and first ballot HOFer. There can be no serious equivalence here.

Is someone actually comparing Baines to Al Kaline???

[insidethewrapper]

Kaline was my childhood hero. I have one of the top Kaline Master Collections on PSA. I was just showing how stats between Kaline and Baines, even though very close, there is no comparison between the two. It's amazing though how just looking at the offensive stats that they are that close ( between a first ballot HOF'er and someone very few of us consider a HOF'er).

[Econteachert205]

I'm upset they picked Baines over Dave Parker. Parker was the more complete player and more dangerous hitter.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Chico was pretty good on the piano.

to my knowledge, brothers Zeppo and Gummo were never part of the 'act'.

Harpo was my favorite too...classic mirror bit he did with Lucy!


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Zeppo was the straight man and heart throb in some of their early movies. Not sure about Gummo

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Al Kaline was a 15 time all star and first ballot HOFer. There can be no serious equivalence here.

Just a basic fact, Kaline had a battery named after him. Baines did not.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Just a basic fact, Kaline had a battery named after him. Baines did not.

True, but Kaline was not the middle name of any president.

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Chico was pretty good on the piano.

to my knowledge, brothers Zeppo and Gummo were never part of the 'act'.

Harpo was my favorite too...classic mirror bit he did with Lucy!


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Zeppo was on Broadway with his brothers and appeared in The Cocoanuts, Animal Crackers, Monkey Business, Horsefeathers, and Duck Soup before leaving show business. He was best friends with Jack Benny and introduced Benny to his future wife Mary at a Passover seder.

[CMIZ5290]

NO to both, please......