1949 Jackies on Memory Lane

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Their distribution was multi-regional I think is the point. The Bond Bread shouldn't be overlooked as his true RC just because of the low pop, comparative value to the Topps/Leaf, or because a price guide or third party grading company labels it as such. It's like arguing the 1952 Topps is Mantle's RC

No it isn't. Bowman was available in all major markets in 1951. The requirement for a rookie card has always been that it be a national release. Missing 3 of the top 4 or 5 markets is not a national release.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

No it isn't. Bowman was available in all major markets in 1951. The requirement for a rookie card has always been that it be a national release. Missing 3 of the top 4 or 5 markets is not a national release.

Maybe that's a Beckett guide "requirement" but I don't think otherwise there is any consensus that national distribution is necessary to call a card a rookie. Lots of discussions here suggest many guys think otherwise.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Maybe that's a Beckett guide "requirement" but I don't think otherwise there is any consensus that national distribution is necessary to call a card a rookie. Lots of discussions here suggest many guys think otherwise.

It has been since the 70s when people started recognizing rookie cards. I know many here collect prewar cards and have adopted various other definitions to fit what they collect. Not having national distribution defeats the purpose of rookie cards in my opinion.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

It has been since the 70s when people started recognizing rookie cards. I know many here collect prewar cards and have adopted various other definitions to fit what they collect. Not having national distribution defeats the purpose of rookie cards in my opinion.

It's a legitimate point of view, but not a consensus one.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

It's a legitimate point of view, but not a consensus one.

Only when it comes to older releases. What regional is being hyped as Aaron Judge's RC? Check sold listings on ebay. Highest prices, recent sold, it's mostly Topps with a few Panini, no regional issues. The last 35+ years I have never seen a current regional set taken seriously as a rookie card.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by rats60

Only when it comes to older releases. What regional is being hyped as Aaron Judge's RC? Check sold listings on ebay. Highest prices, recent sold, it's mostly Topps with a few Panini, no regional issues. The last 35+ years I have never seen a current regional set taken seriously as a rookie card.

That may be because there aren't any? Suppose Clemente had been in 1954 Red Heart or Wilson Franks. You don't think anyone would be arguing that was his rookie?

Originally Posted by rats60

No it isn't. Bowman was available in all major markets in 1951. The requirement for a rookie card has always been that it be a national release. Missing 3 of the top 4 or 5 markets is not a national release.

You'll have to show me that in the official rulebook of collecting because I'm not aware any such consensus, although I do respect that point of view. In the meantime, good luck trying to convince the owner of a 1914 Baltimore News Ruth that it isn't his RC

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

In the meantime, good luck trying to convince the owner of a 1915 Baltimore News Ruth that it isn't his RC.

Not to split hairs, but I think that most collectors consider Ruth's 1914 Baltimore News card his pre-rookie since it was issued when he was in the Minor Leagues. Same goes for DiMaggio's 1934 Zeenut card.

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

Not to split hairs, but I think that most collectors consider Ruth's 1914 Baltimore News card his pre-rookie since it was issued when he was in the Minor Leagues. Same goes for DiMaggio's 1934 Zeenut card.

Or XRC as Beckett use to refer to them

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Or XRC as Beckett use to refer to them

As applied to major league nationally distributed sets like the Fleer Update Clemens, and Topps Traded Bonds, that was really stupid, in my opinion. And of course the flip side was they were calling second year cards RCs.

[WWG]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

You'll have to show me that in the official rulebook of collecting because I'm not aware any such consensus, although I do respect that point of view. In the meantime, good luck trying to convince the owner of a 1915 Baltimore News Ruth that it isn't his RC.

1915 Sporting News?

Originally Posted by WWG

1915 Sporting News?

Yeah, unless you own the Baltimore News

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by WWG

1915 Sporting News?

1914 Baltimore News

1916 M101-5/4 Felix Mendolsohn/Sporting News

[WWG]

Originally Posted by baseball rarities

1914 baltimore news

1916 m101-5/4 felix mendolsohn/sporting news

1915/16 m101-5 sporting news

1915-m101-5-sporting-news-babe-ruth-57125.jpg

[Peter_Spaeth]

Yeah, there is some definite confusion about the date of that issue, I am sure we have discussed it.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by WWG

1915/16 m101-5 sporting news

Attachment 283998

That flip is incorrect. Both the M101-5 and M101-4 sets are from 1916.

[RedsFan1941]

Isn't Ted Z. the resident expert on these cards? Hopefully he will check in.

[WWG]

Maybe the 1947 Bond Bread will get more attention and the price will skyrocket.

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Baseball Rarities

That flip is incorrect. Both the M101-5 and M101-4 sets are from 1916.

Exactly right--same year of issue, although the numbering of the cards differs in some respects.

Regards,

Larry

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by rats60

No it isn't. Bowman was available in all major markets in 1951. The requirement for a rookie card has always been that it be a national release. Missing 3 of the top 4 or 5 markets is not a national release.

No such "requirement" exists now--that's early Beckett/dark ages hobby thinking. In the days of the internet and pervasive auction house offerings, regional versus national offerings has been trending enormously towards and will ultimately be a distinction without any significant difference.

Happy collecting,

Larry