Should for sale listings be allowed in the b/s/t without prices

[Filthy]

Originally Posted by CMIZ5290

your opinion is beyond stupid.

You have a solid 82 posts though, so I've been taking notes.

You have complained about this thread not being "productive" and a great waste of time, yet all you have added is half witted insults. You have a differing opinion than mine, and that's fine. A message boards main purpose is to discuss/debate issues at hand. And the results of this poll are a direct reflection of the collective opinions of the members who post here. And the results of this particular discussion speak loud and clear......even moreso, its also glaringly obvious that those who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. Much like a petulant child, being asked a question as to why....and all they can say...is BECAUSE! Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.

And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one. I would think that social skills, life experiences, level of intellect and self awareness would be a much better barometer of ones value to a message board.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Filthy

And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one.

That has always bugged me as well. It's like the more posts someone has, they more knowledgeable and respectable they become to other board members.

I don't get it. And it's not just here. It's even worse on CU.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That has always bugged me as well. It's like the more posts someone has, they more knowledgeable and respectable they become to other board members.

I don't get it. And it's not just here. It's even worse on CU.

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

And, at least to me, he is.

But my point is that there are a lot of members here (and other boards too) that have been members for a log time and/or have high post counts and for some unknown reason that seems to equate to hobby knowledge / respect. I don't get that.

Likewise, it seems when new members come to the board and share new ideas/opinions, they are overlooked because they are new and they couldn't possibly know more than the 'respected and knowledgeable" board members who've been here for years.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

But my point is that there are a lot of members here (and other boards too) that have been members for a log time and/or have high post counts and for some unknown reason that seems to equate to hobby knowledge / respect. I don't get that.

On the CU boards, there is a title under one's username such as member, senior member, collector, master collector, etc. That title is based on nothing more that your post count. What a joke?!?

[steve B]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

And, at least to me, he is.

But my point is that there are a lot of members here (and other boards too) that have been members for a log time and/or have high post counts and for some unknown reason that seems to equate to hobby knowledge / respect. I don't get that.

Likewise, it seems when new members come to the board and share new ideas/opinions, they are overlooked because they are new and they couldn't possibly know more than the 'respected and knowledgeable" board members who've been here for years.

Interesting thoughts.

When I joined a while back I was happy to see a few names that were familiar to me from a long time ago. Not people I knew, but people I knew of. I've generally been an under the radar sort of collector. Partly because that's who I am until I'm comfortable with people or a group, partly because of budget. Can't really be a well known big wheel when my typical show budget is around $200.

My introduction was "interesting" I mentioned that I had some cards, and the response was literally" yeah right" Until I posted scans then it was a cautious "welcome to the club" It may be odd to some, but I found that attitude comforting.

Now I'm marginally familiar with a lot more of the sort of collectors I like, people with some knowledge, sometimes a LOT of knowledge. I don't always agree with everyone about everything, and that's normal. There's even (gasp!) a few people that I rarely find much agreement with. But most - in fact nearly all - have enough thinking behind their opinions that I can respect those opinions even if I don't agree.

Someone with a lot of posts has hopefully shown enough of their thinking and likes/dislikes and expertise to have earned that sort of respect. Someone with a handful of posts just hasn't got enough track record, so for them it's more a matter of considering their opinions. There are of course exceptions, people whose intros are a nice look at their collecting interests and experiences, and/or are well known to several members so there's a bit of street cred automatically.

Steve B

[irv]

I stated, in my prior post, that I disliked "Best offer" only posts, but that, in no way shape or form, means I agree and think that all posts/ads on here should have prices listed.

I was just stating what I disliked and what I preferred, but seeing as it's a free country and people can do what they want, I am OK with that.

[bobbvc]

The less rules you have, the less rules get broken. I think we have enough rules around here. Of course I'm not a moderator on the board but someone asked for opinions so there you go.

[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

By that standard, Leon would appear knowledgeable and respectable.

Look in the mirror Peter.

There may be an exception to that rule.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Look in the mirror Peter.

There may be an exception to that rule.

You are near a milestone post yourself lad. Don't waste it on the usual obscure humor.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

You are near a milestone post yourself lad. Don't waste it on the usual obscure humor.

I love Franks obscure humor. I have even asked for lessons a couple times but sadly he says NO.

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Filthy

You have complained about this thread not being "productive" and a great waste of time, yet all you have added is half witted insults. You have a differing opinion than mine, and that's fine. A message boards main purpose is to discuss/debate issues at hand. And the results of this poll are a direct reflection of the collective opinions of the members who post here. And the results of this particular discussion speak loud and clear......even moreso, its also glaringly obvious that those who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. Much like a petulant child, being asked a question as to why....and all they can say...is BECAUSE! Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.



And the opinion of a members post count, as it relates specifically to legitimacy of ones thoughts/opinions on this board is a greatly flawed one. I would think that social skills, life experiences, level of intellect and self awareness would be a much better barometer of ones value to a message board.

Do you write auction lot descriptions for a living?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Filthy

[T]hose who support your side of the argument, have only been able to verbalize their thoughts, by taking your approach. Lashing out, posting quick hitters, calling people stupid, without giving ANY legitimate reasoning as to why they believe so much in what they are discussing. . . . Yet, all of those in opposition to your beliefs have all laid out detailed and coherent explanations as to why they have the opinion that they do. That, in and of itself, speaks volumes.

Not at all true. Plenty of legitimate reasons have been offered by me and others in this thread. The oversimplification as "shady" or "dishonest" of a complicated discussion into the various credible motivations behind priceless sales offers is not defensible.

[JollyElm]

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

+1, I hear you!!

[Piratedogcardshows]

Originally Posted by JollyElm

Does common sense ever come into play on these boards?? Ever??

I don't sell anything here, so I don't have a horse in the race as the saying goes. But why in hell would you force people to list sell prices? The boards are filled with threads saying something to the effect of "Can you believe how much the (enter specific card here) sold by (enter AH or ebay seller name here) went for last night???" And the prices realized are always way over the top. So if someone is looking to sell a rare card, they want to get as much as they possibly can for it, don't they?? Capitalism. So there has to be some leeway with people looking to sell their goods here. If you're interested in the card, send the user a PM and negotiate with him. But, if for some reason you're upset or offended by this like an entitled little kid, then ignore people who don't list prices. Common frickin' sense.

And let's say you're able to convince Leon to make a rule forcing everyone to list a selling price on the B/S/T. The first thing I would do if I decided to sell anything would be to list it like this:
For Sale: Bernie Carbo rookie card for sale. $1,000,000 or best offer.

I posted a price, didn't I? The rule was obeyed. Now what? Are you going to lobby Leon to force people to list 'reasonable' selling prices now? And which of you people is going to be the official arbiter of what a reasonable price is, huh????

Come on!!!!!

Very good post. I have zero problem Pm'ing someone if I want the card listed. A lack of price would not deter me. Its slow going for my interests so I cant be picky.