Ethical to sell 1952 Mantle PSA 8 uncracked case

[Tom S.]

Wouldn't taking a picture of a real flip and reusing it be construed as copyright infringement in the eyes of PSA? Potentially getting this guy into a lot of hot water?

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

[xplainer]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

Wouldn't taking a picture of a real flip and reusing it be construed as copyright infringement in the eyes of PSA? Potentially getting this guy into a lot of hot water?

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

I'm sure the National story is another lie. If psa was open , I'd call them myself. This is incredible. Thanks OP for making this aware to us.

[CardboardCollector]

Why would a dealer at the National offer $68K unless he miss represented it. It looks like he is saying it's good enough to fool a dealer.

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by Tom S.

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

Really? - Ferris Wheel Rides?

[xplainer]

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

lmao - he sent me the same exact responce

[sycks22]

"I am not trying to scam anyone. I went into great detail to be as specific as possible"

That's what he wrote me. What a joke.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

Ok I am going to be different here. This has got to be the stupidest thread I have seen on Net54 in my short time being here. Seller is 100% saying it is a novelty item with the case not even resealed. Why the hell is everyone flipping out on this when we have real issues with scammers. Hell we even have scammers(yes more than 1) on this board now that for some reason people won't out.

The best part is some of the people posting how terrible this novelty item is use Problemstein to sell their cards.LOL

What next are you going to form a gang to harass fellow member Bob Lemke because he makes "custom" cards that someone could in the future try to scam someone with. Sorry Bob just using you as an example I like your and everyone else's custom cards.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Ok I am going to be different here. This has got to be the stupidest thread I have seen on Net54 in my short time being here. Seller is 100% saying it is a novelty item with the case not even resealed. Why the hell is everyone flipping out on this when we have real issues with scammers. Hell we even have scammers(yes more than 1) on this board now that for some reason people won't out.

What next are you going to form a gang to harass fellow member Bob Lemke because he makes "custom" cards that someone could in the future try to scam someone with. Sorry Bob just using you as an example I like your and everyone else's custom cards.

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

Yes as long as they are advertised as fake/novelty it would be fine with me. Just like the 100's of listing for fake money on eBay right now. Actually I believe one of our members is selling fake/novelty cash on ebay now.

[vintagehofrookies]

Ben, I think the big issue is this PSA case going into someone else's hands with different intentions than the sellers

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

I think you would get a visit from some Secret Service agents who would explain whether it is OK.

And the seller is from Ohio! Enough said.

[Rollingstone206]

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[jsconscum]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

Did you just compare money with a Baseball card?

There are lots of people out there who want this stuff who cant afford the real deal, for their own personal collection. I wish people would mind their own business.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by jsconscum

Did you just compare money with a Baseball card?

There are lots of people out there who want this stuff who cant afford the real deal, for their own personal collection. I wish people would mind their own business.

I guess since ebay closed down the auction, there was something wrong with selling it after all.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

right even a real gun can be used safely or misused...its the method it which its available and other factors that can make the gun manufacturer liable for the acts of thugs..

in this case, hes like an ostrich head in the sand....his description shows that he likes to use lots and lots of words..and he can always respond to your messages with his use of lots and lots of words...but novelty item or not...$200+ he knows its wrong...no matter how many words he uses..

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Really? - Ferris Wheel Rides?

Cleveland National reference I believe...

[KCRfan1]

So, the seller has admittedly producing a counterfeit PSA label and counterfeit Mantle to " fool friends ". And I agree with others that ethically, there is a problem here. The seller knows exactly what is going to happen with the card once sold, but does not seem to care. He did say " God Bless " though...gotta laugh at the hypocrisy.