Ethical to sell 1952 Mantle PSA 8 uncracked case

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by bnorth

Ok I am going to be different here. This has got to be the stupidest thread I have seen on Net54 in my short time being here. Seller is 100% saying it is a novelty item with the case not even resealed. Why the hell is everyone flipping out on this when we have real issues with scammers. Hell we even have scammers(yes more than 1) on this board now that for some reason people won't out.

What next are you going to form a gang to harass fellow member Bob Lemke because he makes "custom" cards that someone could in the future try to scam someone with. Sorry Bob just using you as an example I like your and everyone else's custom cards.

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

Yes as long as they are advertised as fake/novelty it would be fine with me. Just like the 100's of listing for fake money on eBay right now. Actually I believe one of our members is selling fake/novelty cash on ebay now.

[vintagehofrookies]

Ben, I think the big issue is this PSA case going into someone else's hands with different intentions than the sellers

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by vintagehofrookies

Ben, I think the big issue is this PSA case going into someone else's hands with different intentions than the sellers

I understand that issue but the exact same thing can be said about Bob's custom cards.

[frankbmd]

Is the mechanic who tunes up the get away car for a bank robbery a criminal?

[EvilKing00]

I just think that "FAKING" the PSA flip - although he fully admits to doing so is wrong and probably illegal - and im sure PSA wouldn't like this card being sold like this and will hate it when this card gets sold for big money and someone finds out its fake

[HappyJack41]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Is the mechanic who tunes up the get away car for a bank robbery a criminal?

Can you prove the mechanic was informed of the details as to what the car was to be used for?.....

It's not what you know, it's what you can prove

[Econteachert205]

It seems like ethics and illegality are being mixed here and there. It doesn't seem to me that the ebay sale is illegal. As far as ethics, it seems that the seller has clearly stated the nature of the piece being sold which again I do not believe to be illegal. It is then a question of the seller to see the unintended consequences (fraud) which could come out of the sale. Actually some members obviously think those are the intended consequences. At any rate it is a good discussion from the perspective of the sellers responsibility.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by frankbmd

Is the mechanic who tunes up the get away car for a bank robbery a criminal?

I don't see this guy as the mechanic who tunes up the get away car, more like the guy they bought the unregistered, no serial numbers guns to rob the bank.

[Theo_450]

I don't see how you can hold a person responsible for the potentially fraudelaunt/illegal activities of someone else.

By this logic, no one should ever sell a car in case the buyer gets drunk and drives it into a school bus.

I do agree that the seller is acting irresponsibly to the hobby, and is probably going to get in trouble with PSA for copyright issues, but if he wants to take that risk, he is free to be as dumb as he wants to be.

[Theo_450]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I don't see this guy as the mechanic who tunes up the get away car, more like the guy they bought the unregistered, no serial numbers guns to rob the bank.

It's not illegal to tune up a car. It is illegal to remove serial numbers off of guns, but that doesn't really even matter. The serial numbers don't lead anywhere and they still go bang.

[DaveW]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

I think you would get a visit from some Secret Service agents who would explain whether it is OK.

And the seller is from Ohio! Enough said.

[Rollingstone206]

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[frankbmd]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

$510.00

By a zero feedback bidder with a total of five bids in his life. He must feel so lucky to have prevailed in this auction.

[Rollingstone206]

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[jsconscum]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

Did you just compare money with a Baseball card?

There are lots of people out there who want this stuff who cant afford the real deal, for their own personal collection. I wish people would mind their own business.

[EvilKing00]

Originally Posted by jsconscum

Did you just compare money with a Baseball card?

There are lots of people out there who want this stuff who cant afford the real deal, for their own personal collection. I wish people would mind their own business.

I guess since ebay closed down the auction, there was something wrong with selling it after all.

[jsconscum]

Originally Posted by EvilKing00

I guess since ebay closed down the auction, there was something wrong with selling it after all.

Ebay will close anything down if enough narks complain.

[Rollingstone206]

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[bnorth]

Originally Posted by jsconscum

Ebay will close anything down if enough narks complain.

+1 I do not get it forum members have a hissy fit about this but those same people don't seem to have a problem with someone else selling fake graded T206 Wagners and Planks that are made to fool people.

[Rollingstone206]

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[PM770]

Originally Posted by jsconscum

Ebay will close anything down if enough narks complain.

Shouldn't the above require his name on his post.

PM770 - Paul "The Narc" Matisak

[Leon]

Originally Posted by PM770

Shouldn't the above require his name on his post.

PM770 - Paul "The Narc" Matisak

Yes, his registered name is.. Ran.dy Smi.th


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[Rollingstone206]

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[jsconscum]

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

I guess you'd know since I believe that was your auction cardbuyer20 from Amherst, Ohio.

HA I wish I owned all those high dollar cards