Please show a card more rare than Wagner (T206)

[Huysmans]

Originally Posted by Leon

The value of the T206 Wags has very little to do with rarity (population) as it has more to do with scarcity (people wanting one). I venture to guess I have literally hundreds, maybe a thousand, cards more rare than Wags...but none remotely as valuable..

Hey Leon, one major thing that the Wagner has going for it is hobby lore and tradition. And when something gets that ensconced in the hobby psyche, it essentially becomes part of the collecting fabric, which, will essentially allow for monetary growth regardless of its rarity.

[pbspelly]

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.

[MVSNYC]

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.

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Well put.

# 1, 2 & 4 = Desirability. There have been many cards posted in this thread that are WAY scarcer than the T206 Wagner, BUT almost all lack the overall desirability.

Supply/Demand.

[Runscott]

Two sub-lists I would like to see:

1. T206 cards (back variations included, but no scraps) that are more rare than Wagner.

2. HOF cards (fronts only - back variations NOT considered) that are more rare than Wagner.

[MattyC]

It's also worth noting that while many cards are indeed rarer than the Wagner, for many of those cards the rarity is coming from the ad on the back, as opposed to it being a wholly unique front image.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Leon is absolutely correct. There are tons of cards rarer than the Wagner (including, I would guess, my Plow's Candy below), but few or none that have the Wagner T206 combination of
1) top 10 Hall-of-Famer
2)hugely popular card series (T206)
3)scarcity
4) interesting back story (the whole tobacco thing, whether true or not).
Not to mention famous owners, such as Gretzky.

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Well put.

# 1, 2 & 4 = Desirability. There have been many cards posted in this thread that are WAY scarcer than the T206 Wagner, BUT almost all lack the overall desirability.

Supply/Demand.

We've had this discussion many times.
Rare = total number of a particular card
Scarce = Total number of a card, considering also the demand for that card.

Lots of cards are much more rare than Wagner (especially if you throw in front/back variations). But none are close in terms of scarcity, except perhaps the Baltimore News Ruth.

[Sean]

But regardless of how we define "rare" this was still a fun thread.

[Hot Springs Bathers]

I am guessing that the Wagner has the highest percentage of graded specimens in existence. I will also guess that even for the rarer vintage cards out there the graded percentage goes way down.

This is a really off the wall guess but I would say that way fewer than 10 percent of most say T206s are graded. I know of three local collections including mine where no cards are graded. So basing rarity on graded populations is probably not very accurate?

I agree with MVSNYC assessment of the Wagner and its' position in the hobby.

[lutherlafy]

No 1917-20 Felix Mendelshohn cards posted......

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Sean

We've had this discussion many times.
Rare = total number of a particular card
Scarce = Total number of a card, considering also the demand for that card.

Lots of cards are much more rare than Wagner (especially if you throw in front/back variations). But none are close in terms of scarcity, except perhaps the Baltimore News Ruth.

I think we are saying the same thing...I see your point. I used the word "scarcer", but ultimately meant "rarer".