Please show a card more rare than Wagner (T206)

[DixieBaseball]

[QUOTE=Leon;1362635]The value of the T206 Wags has very little to do with rarity (population) as it has more to do with scarcity (people wanting one). I venture to guess I have literally hundreds, maybe a thousand, cards more rare than Wags...but none remotely as valuable..

LL - I sorta get what you are saying, but why do people want one? When did people start wanting one? Who drove this card to the peak of the hobby and when did it register ? (What year?)

I think Brent nailed it : "... When something gets ensconced in the hobby psyche..."

So when did the Wags take off and become important? 1950's ? Why did that happen?

As far as Top 10 HOFer, T206 set, etc. --- That would easily apply to Cobb. So why not Cobb ? Which Cobb with a T206 back would fit in that 60-80 examples known range?

I believe the Baltimore Ruth will eventually become the Pinnacle card in the hobby. It's sorta already happening the last few sales... It's getting there. Cobb w/ Cobb back is too rare perhaps. I would rather own it over the Wags, but that is just me.

Good discussion, guys - Here's another one that is more rare than T-Wags :

[Robextend]

Only a couple graded between PSA and SGC

[pbspelly]

[QUOTE=DixieBaseball;1362991]

Originally Posted by Leon

As far as Top 10 HOFer, T206 set, etc. --- That would easily apply to Cobb. So why not Cobb ? Which Cobb with a T206 back would fit in that 60-80 examples known range?

I believe the Baltimore Ruth will eventually become the Pinnacle card in the hobby. It's sorta already happening the last few sales... It's getting there. Cobb w/ Cobb back is too rare perhaps. I would rather own it over the Wags, but that is just me.

As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.

[Leon]

[QUOTE=pbspelly;1363086]

Originally Posted by DixieBaseball

As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.

The Wags and the '52 Mantle transcend the hobby. There are people that own them that don't collect cards. They own them because they are feathers in a cap, status symbols....and damn good investments so far.
Barely any, if any, other baseball cards do that.

[Bicem]

Wow, great Ruth and Cobb m101-6's!

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by Bicem

Wow, great Ruth and Cobb m101-6's!

yessir!

[DixieBaseball]

As someone else pointed out, the rare Cobb T206 cards have to do with a rare back. Whereas the rare Wagner T206 is (I believe) the only T206 with Wagner on the front. So the Wagner is desirable even for folks who are not into rare backs.

That said, I agree that a Cobb w/Cobb back is cooler than the Wagner at this point.[/QUOTE]

... but the Wagner T206 is not rare at all with sweet cap back and not rare with it's front either... There are about a hundred of them out there... They are simply wanted for their celebrity value. They have been over marketed along with the Mantle to be the "it" cards of our hobby for 50 years. I think that the Wags "was" a good investment, but I don't believe it has much more appreciation ahead over the coming decades. (I could be wrong of course...) I still think the the T-Wags is a nice looking portrait though and a nice collectible.

Agreed with Leon's point on the Wags & Mantle rook... as someone pointed out early... they have been ensconced in the psyche of the public as the "it" cards to own.

[Eggoman]

I'm "IN"...as far as I know, these are the only 2 Greiner's Bread cards on PSA or SGC Pop Report...

[MikeGarcia]

.....Type Two Wide Pens , 1936 Goudey Premiums , R-314

....when it takes eight years to find , let alone upgrade , a particular item ... we need our own page of adjectives in here .

[Golfcollector]

I sold this one with all of my golf cards, but this is the only one graded, and one of the toughest golf cards there is.

1925 Empreza Walter Hagen

[AndrewJerome]

My favorite Zeenut:

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Eggoman

I'm "IN"...as far as I know, these are the only 2 Greiner's Bread cards on PSA or SGC Pop Report...

[Eggoman]

Hey Leon - Nice Card! I knew there was at least one more out there... We talked about these YEARS AGO - I missed out on a Near Set because the Seller and I couldn't agree on a price as "Greiner's" weren't listed in any of the Price Guides...Tharp's - Yes, Yeungling's - of course, but NOT Greiner's. I've NEVER managed to catch up with that seller and have no idea where the cards ended up. He was an old Coin Dealer. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...I'm sure that we were only "a few dollars" apart but Food Issues weren't appreciated much in the mid-1980s. But Modern Rookie cards - NOW WE'RE TALKIN"!!!!!

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Eggoman

Hey Leon - Nice Card! I knew there was at least one more out there... We talked about these YEARS AGO - I missed out on a Near Set because the Seller and I couldn't agree on a price as "Greiner's" weren't listed in any of the Price Guides...Tharp's - Yes, Yeungling's - of course, but NOT Greiner's. I've NEVER managed to catch up with that seller and have no idea where the cards ended up. He was an old Coin Dealer. Coulda, woulda, shoulda...I'm sure that we were only "a few dollars" apart but Food Issues weren't appreciated much in the mid-1980s. But Modern Rookie cards - NOW WE'RE TALKIN"!!!!!

There is at least one more also. It's another Harris in very poor condition. A good hobby friend has it. Yes, you had shown me those 2 long ago. I know of these 3 and that 1, so 4 total....which is quite scarce. Four is also the number of these I am aware of...