Some rare and expensive bakery goodies......

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Paul,

Just to clarify, the cards on eBay are Merchants Bakery and are real. The ones we are discussing are 1921 Herpolsheimers which are fake. It is not a popular sentiment as you can see from this post which I have made stray from its original point.

Thanks Brian- my mistake-guilty as accused.
I'll take a step best and wish you good luck in this discussion & horse beating.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by chernieto

Thanks Brian- my mistake-guilty as accused.
I'll take a step best and wish you good luck in this discussion & horse beating.

Thank you, Paul. I am moving us on to dead parrots.

[Brian Van Horn]

LOL.

I apologize for the delays in response, but there is a ballgame on.

Gentleman,

All of the cards out there are from one guy. I met the guy. He said they were not real. Why? Mistaken? Nope. Who goes to a show with "original" cards and sells them for $1.00 to $3.00 and says they are not real. Then, after the fact, no further examples, save a poor attempt at a Cobb are found. The parrot is dead. The troll is still alive.

Hello, Polly!

This is turning into a classic thread

[bn2cardz]

I just can't understand how "those aren't real" can make the jump to he printed them... and knows EVERYTHING about their history.

Honesty does not equate to never wrong. Ignorance and honesty are two separate issues as this thread has proved (because both sides of this debate have honest people and at least one side is wrong).

To produce the cards to look the exact same as the other cards from the set is a lot harder than you realize and seem to think through. Have you seen the "void" on a check that is written using small dots? That is because if you try and copy this design the scanner can't reproduce that accurately when reproduced. This is, in essence, what the problem with trying to produce the fronts of these cards is. The halftone used to produce the cards can't be replicated by copying the front of another card and then reprinting it. You would have to have the original of every photo to even begin to replicate these. This is also the same reason why other fakes have been easy to spot.

The only "plausible" explanation that keeps these cards "fake" is the stamping idea someone mentioned, but even that one should be easy to figure out based of the ink used and is easy to prove.

[packs]

Isn't it too difficult to distinguish between authentic and reprinted Fro Joy cards? It is my understanding that the Fro Joy cards are no longer being graded because it is too difficult to distinguish between some reprinted and authentic examples.

[nolemmings]

The only "plausible" explanation that keeps these cards "fake" is the stamping idea someone mentioned, but even that one should be easy to figure out based of the ink used and is easy to prove.

The card backs are not stamped, they are printed,which means they were affixed to the back when the cards were on a sheet. As mentioned, the cost of setting this up would be excessive and far disproportionate to any gain achieved by creating one such sheet.

[benchod]

Brian
I really question your recall of the entire story.
You have stated multiple times that they were sold on eBay by a seller in Maryland. That's is incorrect. They were sold by an antique shop in Grand Rapids Michigan. If you have this basic fact wrong maybe you don't remember the other details clearly.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by benchod

Brian
I really question your recall of the entire story.
You have stated multiple times that they were sold on eBay by a seller in Maryland. That's is incorrect. They were sold by an antique shop in Grand Rapids Michigan. If you have this basic fact wrong maybe you don't remember the other details clearly.

Sir,

My apologies because I do not mean to offend you, but it is you that has your facts incorrect. Herpolsheimers had a shop in Grand Rapids, MI. The cards that this gentleman had were eventually sold on eBay by a seller in Maryland.

[benchod]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Sir,

My apologies because I do not mean to offend you, but it is you that has your facts incorrect. Herpolsheimers had a shop in Grand Rapids, MI. The cards that this gentleman had were eventually sold on eBay by a seller in Maryland.

You are the one who has your facts about the eBay sale 100% wrong
The eBay seller was/is located in Grand Rapids. Area code 616