Some rare and expensive bakery goodies......

nolemmings · #1 08-27-2014, 02:01 PM

Brian,
I believe Benchod believes these were sold from Grand Rapids Mi based upon the following post from (former?) member Jeff McKee, who was an active bidder when these first appeared on Ebay ten years ago:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archive

Posted By: Jeff McKee

Hi Leon
You guys (and Julie) could have wrote to me, I know a lot of you know my ebay handle. I was one of the 2 infamous bidders who ran the first set of these auctions up in price, I think the other is a lurker here as well. Hopefully by me posting it will not upset anyone who may have been thinking to bid on any of these cards listed in the future. I did not post about this last time it was brought up because I am in no position to tell most people on this board anything about cards and I also did not have the card I won to post about. When the Cobb(Manager), Johnson (Washington) and Stengel (Philadelphia) were first listed I was as skeptical as everyone else because the backs of the cards are not like regular 1916 Herpolsheimer's cards and there is no number on the fronts. These were being listed as 1930's cards. When the seller listed the other 3, Kid Gleason(Manager), Milton Stock (St.Louis) and Chester Thomas (Cleveland) I thought why would anyone go through the trouble of reprinting cards of common players with a different card back. I first checked the background of these 6 players and the common year for them all based on the information on the cards is 1921. The fronts are the same as the e121 set and the backs are close to but not the same as the 1921 Holsum Bread back, which is a variation of the e121 set. Also on the back of the 1916 Herpolsheimer's card it says

Herpolsheimer Co.
Boys Fashion Shop
Grand Rapids Mich

on these other cards it says

Herpolsheimer's
Boys Fashion Shop
The Home of Boy's Fashionable clothing
second Floor

The seller of these cards is a selling agent who sells items for people who normally wouldn't list on ebay. He is based in Grand Rapids Mi. and the person who is the owner is also from Grand Rapids, which is where it says Herpolsheimers is located on the back of the 1916 card. The owner was given them by his great grandfather who I was told did not work for Herposheimers, but may have known someone who did. I was also told that there are 69 cards in all, with no doubles. Most of the cards are commons with some HOFer's. The owner was willing to sell the lot for fairly cheap until the other bidder threw out a couple of large numbers and the owner of the cards got greedy and wanted more. Given all of the commons it was not worth the asking price for myself to buy the lot since the set had already been broken up anyway, with 2 of the top 3 cards gone from the set with the selling of the Cobb and Johnson. I had tried to get the owner to look into getting these cards accepted in the hobby, by getting them authenticated and doing the proper research in determining the exact year or years of issue. It is only my opinion that if these cards are legit, that they were from an unissued set of cards. I have only shown the scans of the Stengel to one other person on this board and he is of the opinion that the card(s) look real. I also think the card looks all right, but I am still skeptical and I am probably going to see what SGC has to say about the card. So as I have said it is all speculation as to whether these cards are real or fake or unissued. Any opinions based on the pictures?
Jeff

I vaguely recalled that discussion so pulled it up. In doing so, I found a thread in which you made you very first post, 10 years ago, in which you stated then that these were fake and with which others disagreed. Also, in that thread you spoke of the dealer telling you his belief that these had been made in the '70's, some 20-25 years before you would have spoken to him. So again I ask why you think he was the point of origin?

benchod · #2 08-27-2014, 02:13 PM

Keep posting, Brian
In the last 2 days I've been able to add 5 Herpolsheimers hofers to my collection at rock bottom prices

Brian Van Horn · #3 08-27-2014, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benchod

Keep posting, Brian
In the last 2 days I've been able to add 5 Herpolsheimers hofers to my collection at rock bottom prices

LOL. Great! The side effect is I'm driving down the stock market on 1921 Herpolsheimers.

rhettyeakley · #4 08-27-2014, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by benchod

Keep posting, Brian
In the last 2 days I've been able to add 5 Herpolsheimers hofers to my collection at rock bottom prices

Bruce is back!

Brian Van Horn · #5 08-27-2014, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Brian,
I believe Benchod believes these were sold from Grand Rapids Mi based upon the following post from (former?) member Jeff McKee, who was an active bidder when these first appeared on Ebay ten years ago:

I vaguely recalled that discussion so pulled it up. In doing so, I found a thread in which you made you very first post, 10 years ago, in which you stated then that these were fake and with which others disagreed. Also, in that thread you spoke of the dealer telling you his belief that these had been made in the '70's, some 20-25 years before you would have spoken to him. So again I ask why you think he was the point of origin?

Todd,

Can I trouble you for a date on that post? I am a packrat when it comes to e-mails and I may-repeat may-be able to come up with the original eBay seller account.

Thank you,

Brian

nolemmings · #6 08-27-2014, 02:56 PM

Brian,

I closed the window. Just search Herpolsheimer--go to last and then up to the October through December 2004 posts for these various discussions.

Added-- your post was 12/24/2004.

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