Opinion on Ruth 1 of 1 Cut-Auto Card??

[GrayGhost]

FANTASTIC. I feel the seller just suffered from Blind faith in , this case, JSA, tho it was a FAKE JSA. Again, you need to at least have a clue what you are looking at, aside from the Cert. The Ruth was a horrible fake to anyone who looks at any on his own.

And another example here of why this Forum out and out is great most times. People helping others who they don't even know. Thanks Richard and everyone, Seller seems grateful he was told too.

[travrosty]

can it be returned to the original seller if it has been altered and is now in a card form. if the original seller gets the card back and refunds, he doesnt really need the fake jsa letter back, it is now verified via the card that it has been certed, even though it hasn't.

that card will float around forever until it sells to another dupe, even if not on ebay.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

can it be returned to the original seller if it has been altered and is now in a card form. if the original seller gets the card back and refunds, he doesnt really need the fake jsa letter back, it is now verified via the card that it has been certed, even though it hasn't.

that card will float around forever until it sells to another dupe, even if not on ebay.

Leaf is really the guilty one here. They should have recognized the fake cert for what it was. They are probably using $10 an hour employees to do this work and I guess hoping for someone making low wages to recognize a fake cert would be asking too much.
You are probably right Travis, even if the original seller gives a refund he can still probably sell the card to some dupe.

[whitehse]

I have contact Brian Gray, the owner of Leaf and gave him the link to this thread. I know he is very active on other boards when talking about his product so he might be willing to come here as well.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by whitehse

I have contact Brian Gray, the owner of Leaf and gave him the link to this thread. I know he is very active on other boards when talking about his product so he might be willing to come here as well.

Maybe he can explain why his employees cannot pick up on an obvious fake cert when they have it in hand. Maybe his employees need to be trained a bit better.
If a scam can be perpetrated in this hobby then someone will try it, we all know that is true. His employees should be made more aware of that.

[RichardSimon]

Heard from the seller again after I told him about the 45 day rule.
Here is his reply:


Have opened a case and the LOA is being sent to JSA for verification. Thank you for your help. May have saved me close to 2K.

Kind regards.

- fanofmantle

[sylbry]

Leaf and Beckett seem to be the one that legitimized the fake. JSA never saw it. Leaf and Beckett did.

Not so sure if the seller is really an innocent victim. Seller appears to have purchased enough autographs to know better.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by sylbry

Leaf and Beckett seem to be the one that legitimized the fake. JSA never saw it. Leaf and Beckett did.

Not so sure if the seller is really an innocent victim. Seller appears to have purchased enough autographs to know better.

That may be true but you know how people in this hobby are.
Buy the COA not the graph.
Here is an interesting fact that I was not aware of,, the seller did not have the COA because Leaf keeps the certs. The cert belongs to the owner of the autograph. How does Leaf justify keeping it? I could understand them making a copy for their records, but keeping the original cert?? Why??

[whitehse]

I got this quick email sent back to me from Brian at Leaf:

"The JSA letter/sticker is of questionable authenticity .. We are investigating at present.."

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by whitehse

I got this quick email sent back to me from Brian at Leaf:

"The JSA letter/sticker is of questionable authenticity .. We are investigating at present.."

Investigating? Sherlock Holmes is in Sussex, retired at his Bee Farm. FORGET THE DAMN JSA LETTER. The autograph is HORRIBLE. its FAKE, BOGUS, GARBAGE, etc.

but I hope they do discover who forged the letter, we know JSA wouldn't make THIS BAD an error.