Ebay 1947 Bond Bread

[BigfootIsReal]

Jackie Portrait PSA 1 auction ended at $3,550. That outsold two previous 1's earlier this year for around $2,200. 3,550 seems kind of high

[Leon]

Haven't seen them but there's a wide variance in 1s..
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[BigfootIsReal]

This one had a couple big creases

[Snowman]

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

Nice, subtle, dig. May a large horse piss all over your snow!

[brunswickreeves]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

Jackie Portrait PSA 1 auction ended at $3,550. That outsold two previous 1's earlier this year for around $2,200. 3,550 seems kind of high

I was watching that auction and think it was a very respectable version and for that price is a solid buy. Long term view it’s Jackie Robinson’s ‘true’ rookie card that was released in 1947. He broke the color barrier and transcends baseball. Happy for whoever got that one.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

[GeoPoto]

I'm not privy to the card you are discussing, but here's mine, and my opinion is that a 1 that looks better than mine is worth more than $3.5K and a 1 that looks worse is worth less than $3.5K.

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[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Snowman

Ya, but it was better centered than most. This card is notoriously wildly OC.

An even better centered copy just did $4500 in a PSA 1 a couple months ago. And it had multiple creases as well.

I really don't get how this concept still doesn't seem to get through to people, but centered vintage cards are worth MUCH more than OC copies. Multiples more. At least 1.5x comps, and usually 2x to 3x comps for key vintage cards. And if they look undergraded in addition to being centered, cards can often go 4x or 5x comps.

100 concur Snow. Guys want big cards, but with great eye appeal. They have the most upside.

[packs]

I paid $1,000 for my beater. Felt high at the time but I still think this card has it's due coming. I'm not interested in selling any time soon. In my opinion it is one of the most historically significant baseball cards ever released:

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by packs

I paid $1,000 for my beater. Felt high at the time but I still think this card has it's due coming. I'm not interested in selling any time soon. In my opinion it is one of the most historically significant baseball cards ever released:

Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

Can never get enough politics...

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

100 concur Snow. Guys want big cards, but with great eye appeal. They have the most upside.

That doesn't make sense to me. Surely the cards that people do not want but will want in the future are the ones with the most upside.

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by darwinbulldog

That doesn't make sense to me. Surely the cards that people do not want but will want in the future are the ones with the most upside.

Desirable cards with the best eye appeal within the grade will only go up in value long term.

For modern, I can see your point (speculation). For vintage, what cards are you referring to?

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

Agree with that, but I'm afraid of the uninformed people come Nov 5 and as a result will absolutely CRUSH the economy for YEARS to come.

Let me know when you're ready to go in the bunker. I have plenty of canned goods and animal jerky that I'll trade you for your worthless cardboard.

[packs]

Jackie Robinson breaking the color barrier wasn't merely a sports moment. It was one of the most historically significant moments in this country's recent history and the portrait card is the first time an African American player ever appeared in a major league uniform.

In my opinion, the portrait card is more significant than any other card in the hobby, and that includes the Wagner T206, which is merely a rarity.

PSA has a pop report of only 104 portrait cards.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

Let me know when you're ready to go in the bunker. I have plenty of canned goods and animal jerky that I'll trade you for your worthless cardboard.

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

[CardPadre]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

I hope you annoy people in your conspiracy forums with baseball card comments as much as you do the opposite here.



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[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

LOL, where did I say "bunker"? I suppose you can afford MUCH more higher prices for EVERYTHING in the near future. But I suppose you can since you live rent free in your mom's basement.

Apologies. I've been underground in mom's basement so long that my mind gravitates toward "bunker" when other people seem troubled and need a safe space.

More on topic, I'd have paid in that ballpark for that Jackie if I had seen it. I'd take that card (or his White Sleeves batting) over any of his Leaf, Bowman, or Topps issues.

[CardPadre]

Back to the card in question…the “winner” has a bidding history that makes it seem like they likely just use that account to shill their own stuff on probstein. But can’t say for sure, of course.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by CardPadre

I hope you annoy people in your conspiracy forums with baseball card comments as much as you do the opposite here.



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What part is "conspiracy"?

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

What part is "conspiracy"?

Guy, you responded to someone's comment twice...both times with a heaping helping of self-victimization then for some reason brought up voting in an election having to do with a baseball card in another person's comment that had nothing to do with an election...or the economy...

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by BioCRN

Guy, you responded to someone's comment twice...both times with a heaping helping of self-victimization then for some reason brought up voting in an election having to do with a baseball card in another person's comment that had nothing to do with an election...or the economy...

You really think economy has NOTHING to do with card prices? Wow, Walt Disney sure could have used your imagination.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

You really think economy has NOTHING to do with card prices? Wow, Walt Disney sure could have used your imagination.

I doubt that Trump tariff weirdness or Harris's corporate income tax views effected the price of a 1947 Bond Bread Jackie Robinson card sold in August 2024.

The centering issue pointed out to you probably plays a bigger impact on price...along with someone who bought it having a "5" feedback and probably not a very refined or patience buyer.

[gunboat82]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

You really think economy has NOTHING to do with card prices? Wow, Walt Disney sure could have used your imagination.

It's more that the economy is a nuanced machine, and its health will not come down to a binary crash-versus-boom, regardless of what happens Nov. 5 (or even Jan. 6, if your side loses).

A thread about a Jackie Robinson card selling higher than you expected just seemed like a weird place to shoehorn in your political fears. It's August 2024, a Democrat is president, and people are still spending lots of money on collectibles. People will still be spending lots of money on collectibles after Nov. 5, regardless of the GDP, CPI, employment rate, or whatever other metric you want to use to make your case that one party sucks and the other is awesome.

You should worry more about an asteroid strike than Nov. 5. If the asteroid hits, even I won't want your cards.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

"Eye appeal" is the most important term in the hobby, not the most overused. Until you figure that out, you'll continue to scratch your head at auction results into perpetuity.

Also, a low-end card with strong eye-appeal selling above comps has zero effect on the values of your off-centered cards in higher grades. Zero.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by gunboat82

It's more that the economy is a nuanced machine, and its health will not come down to a binary crash-versus-boom, regardless of what happens Nov. 5 (or even Jan. 6, if your side loses).

A thread about a Jackie Robinson card selling higher than you expected just seemed like a weird place to shoehorn in your political fears. It's August 2024, a Democrat is president, and people are still spending lots of money on collectibles. People will still be spending lots of money on collectibles after Nov. 5, regardless of the GDP, CPI, employment rate, or whatever other metric you want to use to make your case that one party sucks and the other is awesome.

You should worry more about an asteroid strike than Nov. 5. If the asteroid hits, even I won't want your cards.

This guy gets it

[G1911]

I always take my economic and political advice from Bigfoot advocates, as they seem to have a really strong grasp on discernible objective reality.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by GeoPoto

I'm not privy to the card you are discussing, but here's mine, and my opinion is that a 1 that looks better than mine is worth more than $3.5K and a 1 that looks worse is worth less than $3.5K.

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I'll give you $5k for that right now. Serious offer.

[GeoPoto]

Ha, no I'm not trying to sell the card. Thanks for the offer. But it was won in one of your favorite auctions recently for $3.6K. (A friend picked it up for me!).

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[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

Breaker Breaker good buddy! We're Eastbound & Down.

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Breaker Breaker good buddy! We're Eastbound & Down.

Jerry Reed = underrated

[Republicaninmass]

People banking some regional RC is going to explode higher?


Its a New version of collectors I don't know

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by Snowman

I'll give you $5k for that right now. Serious offer.

Have to sell some stocks or move money around first or that cash is available? Asking for a friend

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Snowman

This guy gets it

Amen on that!

But could someone in a position of leadership kindly tell the pea brains to check the politics at the door?

[BigfootIsReal]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Amen on that!

But could someone in a position of leadership kindly tell the pea brains to check the politics at the door?

Tattletale

[Snapolit1]

Originally Posted by G1911

I always take my economic and political advice from Bigfoot advocates, as they seem to have a really strong grasp on discernible objective reality.

Don’t knock Big Foot. Very agile guy for his size. In the last 30 years he has managed to evade every single one of the 345 million mobile phones in America with sophisticated color cameras.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Why no mention of the much more widely distributed Jackie card from the original 44 card Bond Bread set released earlier in 1947? Those were inserted into loafs of Bond Bread in 1947 the same way Old Judge cards were inserted into cigarette packs, Cracker Jack cards were inserted into snack boxes, American Caramel cards were inserted into candy packages, etc. The 13 card Jackie set were distributed as promotional giveaways, not nearly the same chase element involved in trying to obtain these back in the day.

[packs]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Why no mention of the much more widely distributed Jackie card from the original 44 card Bond Bread set released earlier in 1947? Those were inserted into loafs of Bond Bread in 1947 the same way Old Judge cards were inserted into cigarette packs, Cracker Jack cards were inserted into snack boxes, American Caramel cards were inserted into candy packages, etc. The 13 card Jackie set were distributed as promotional giveaways, not nearly the same chase element involved in trying to obtain these back in the day.

The portrait card is separate from the rest of the Bond Bread Jackie set. It is it's own release. Where did you find information that the 44 card set was released was first? It's always been my understanding that the Jackie portrait was released first to promote Jackie Robinson specifically once he made the team.

[Carter08]

Where does the Jackie Robinson Well Made Pants fit into all of this?

[Exhibitman]

IMO, this card is the key Robinson card, if you are considering rookie collecting, and anyone entering the hobby with aspirations of getting a Robinson rookie and who does his or her homework will end up looking at this card. The myth of the Leaf card has been debunked; the only reason people chase that one as a rookie (as opposed to as a great card from a great set) is an error made decades ago in identifying his rookie.

The round-cornered insert card is another underrated one, a poor man's version of a Robinson rookie. I am surely not the only one here who has a few stashed away?

Oh, and Jerry Reed was a talent: good writer, singer, and a pretty funny comedic actor. When you can hold your own with Jackie Gleason, you've gotta be pretty good.

[bcbgcbrcb]

https://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/roo...robinja02e.jpg

[bcbgcbrcb]

Here you go, James:

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

https://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/roo...robinja02e.jpg

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Republicaninmass

Have to sell some stocks or move money around first or that cash is available? Asking for a friend

Don't be a dumbass Ted. Unlike your moral compass, I'm not broke.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bcbgcbrcb

Why no mention of the much more widely distributed Jackie card from the original 44 card Bond Bread set released earlier in 1947? Those were inserted into loafs of Bond Bread in 1947 the same way Old Judge cards were inserted into cigarette packs, Cracker Jack cards were inserted into snack boxes, American Caramel cards were inserted into candy packages, etc. The 13 card Jackie set were distributed as promotional giveaways, not nearly the same chase element involved in trying to obtain these back in the day.

Because those are blank backs with horrible cuts and much higher print runs. I don't even consider those to be baseball cards. To each their own though. Collect what you love.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by BigfootIsReal

So, when it comes to the two most overused words in cards right now, "eye appeal", as long as the card is somewhat centered (even though it's centered due to trimming), it's ok for that said card to have enough creases to make it look like a road map? If you think the card we're speaking of has "eye appeal" with all the creases and off-white color, then dude, you need to lay off that hippie lettuce a little. I'm happy it went for so much since I have a much better one in a 5. On to more important things, Jerry Reed IS the only Snowman, period. Change your screen name!

"Elite centering." See you and raise you one.

[packs]

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

Of course and that has always been true, but it's a relatively recent phenomenon that it has become such a fetish and that centered cards command such a huge premium.

[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by packs

I think generally speaking people are always going to prefer a centered card to an off centered card. I'm not sure what the gripe is about a centered card having eye appeal in every case whether there are other flaws or not. It is a near universal truth in the hobby that a centered card is preferred.

As someone who ignores centering (as long as it's not terrible) and prefers a clean surface with nice color as a #1 priority, I've seen centering win out over creases and scuffs nearly all the time.

Being on the other side of one of the most popular aspects of the hobby really drives home how much people will pay for centering, especially when multiple examples are up for sale/auction at the same time.

It's not exactly news that centering is king, but I'm still kinda surprised how much surface damage people will ignore for centering. Some people won't even touch a card that's not mostly or totally centered. They don't even want to consider it unless it's extremely rare and even then they're looking to upgrade asap. There's a lot of them, too.

[4815162342]

It must be nice to collect cards that are so abundant that you can be picky about centering.