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1. I wasn't buying from or consigning to PWCC in the first place. |
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166 | 34.87% |
I will no longer buy from/consign to PWCC. |
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163 | 34.24% |
I will continue to buy from/consign to PWCC. |
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78 | 16.39% |
I haven't decided |
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69 | 14.50% |
Voters: 476. You may not vote on this poll |
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I did realize that.
On the other hand, I think if you keep going at the pace you are, you are going to over take me in number of posts. LOL
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If I were claiming PSA misgraded a card I bought, I would just bring a claim on their guarantee, which is an easier case in the nature of strict liability, I'm not sure why I would go to negligence although I'd have to think about it further.
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If you make incorrect statements about the law, I feel obliged to respond. LOL.
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Dragnet 54, “Just the facts, ma’am”
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PSA has always banked on people not willing to sue them due to the relatively small amount in dispute when they misgrade a card. So they refuse to honor the guarantee for any reason they think will fit, and rarely pay out.
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I've heard that a lot -- that the doctoring is so good that PSA can't detect it. But this is basically the main thing they're being paid to do: to detect alterations. Maybe if they spent more than 10 seconds grading a card they'd be able to see that the card is short. Or that a blacklight would expose added color. Or that a look with a loupe would show that one edge is worn differently than the other three. I don't buy the argument that the doctoring is so good to easily fool PSA. I think PSA is so bad that the doctoring doesn't have to be so good.
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Not that there was much fun about that case, but watching Vincent Bugliosi's head nearly explode during interviews was, well I don't know the word for it, but it was something.
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There is no statute on "Rat Urine" there are rules about some things found IN rat urine (Leptospirosis etc.) and I'll admit I don't know what levels are "acceptable" but it's entirely possible that "allowable levels" are zero in the case of dangerous pathogens that may be found in rat urine and that's just the wording they use. I don't really feel like battering my way through CA restaurant health code to find out, but having worked in kitchens I assure you there is no test for rat urine. It's a myth that gets told about soda cans too.
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The scent of Bill Mastro hangs in the air.
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With all the time people spend in court and money on attorneys, you'd think they would know the law a bit better.
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YES!!!!!!, You are very dopey, mcdope dope
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You mean, Brent Mastro... The sneakier, new improved version
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It is mind boggling, confusing, shocking and a whole host of other descriptions that people are still willing to purchase, and in essence, support PWCC after what has been exposed about them to date. I guess I will never understand the rationality behind it? To me, its like continuing to purchase something from a dept store or another business that is well known to sell suspect merchandise or known to rip off its customers. Also, like I stated before, with PWCC being a top selling entity. Does anyone honestly think they would be as well known/popular as they are if they didn't sell these supposed high end PSA 8, 9's, and 10 cards? Take away all the doctored/known cards that have been discovered to date and what do you have? Nothing. They would be nothing more than an average ebay selling entity. They got to that status/popularity by being dishonest, deceitful, crooked and corrupt and if anyone can't see that, then you simply have the blinders on or lack the mental aptitude to grasp that fact.
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[QUOTE=Aquarian Sports Cards;1888471]You're equating possible criminal behavior with social issue marketing with which you disagree.[/QUOTe
The only issue here for most people is that they have done something that may tarnish their brand. PWCC has 44,648 completed listings on the most recent EBAY search. They are just like Nike and just like Gillette and sell products to consumers. They are the premium brand just like these two are in the sports collectables market. There are a lot of sellers that would like to see harm done to them because it would once more open up business opportunities for them that at the present no longer exist. When you think of the best cards offered on EBAY they are the first name that comes to mind. I think just like the two examples I gave that there are a lot of upset people that will over time move on. There is a lot of value in a brand. If they have done un repairable damage to that brand we will find out in the coming months. I would bet they haven't because the products they offer are what consumers are looking for. |
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I wonder if the great lyricist Frank Burkett can do a version of Tainted Love called Tainted Stuff?
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Tainted Stuff
PWCC I've got to run away I've got to stay away From the stuff you drive into the heart of me The love we share has ended in dispair. Since you've lost your light to Gary you turn - can you sleep at night Once I ran to you now I'll run from you This tainted stuff you've given supported by your tenets, don't justify Take my tears and refund, refund my Tainted stuff, tainted stuff Now I know I've got to run away I've got Blowout to show me the way. You now really want them to just shut up To make things right you need someone to lock you up And you think the hobby needs your stuff, but tainted stuff is now on display The jokers will run to you filling your pockets is the only fun to you But this tainted stuff you're peddling Will get the authorities meddling Take my name off your list Of tainted stuff, tainted stuff Me and my friends are really pissed.
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But you keep alluding to this well of knowledge about other card doctors and AHs that might be complicit as well. My question is - why not share that knowledge? Tell us about that conversation. Give us the details. With all due respect, I don't know how 100s of snarky posts help advance the hobby at this point. Many of us would benefit by hearing what you know vs. just what you think about the topic at hand. The latter has been well established, but I know many would benefit from your knowledge as it might help others avoid potential landmines. I say that without any sarcasm at all. |
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I want to be the guy who just plays the "DANH DANH" on the keyboard.
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Sam I have shared what I know with law enforcement. They read the boards and any time they want to talk to me again they know how to reach me. I'm not outing names on a public message board at this point. Candidly, it carries risks and when I see person after person posting they are going to buy anyway I don't see much point. Most of these guys aren't selling directly anyhow, so outing the names would not help anyone avoid them. My point is simply to convey that the recent revelations are not isolated and people who care need to be very diligent.
The gist of the conversation I referenced was that that AH regularly took consignments of cards from card doctors, and that many of his fellow AHs did the same, and that any collector who truly cared about not having altered cards needed to be very careful buying high grade cards out of AHs. I think that's probably true nowadays for mid grade significant cards with high eye appeal too, I'm sorry to say. It affects a whole lot of us.
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Anyone who voted for the 3rd option in the poll really needs to read the Mantle thread on Blowout. If it’s too long for you, just review pages 110 - 116 which are the most recent. These card doctors can even repair actual tears in the card and get them past PSA. The scope of this is far wider than PSA portrays, and likely much more prevalent than many people here are aware. vvvvv VIEW PAGES 110 - 116 BY CLICKING LINK vvvvv https://www.blowoutforums.com/showth...90614&page=116 |
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Darn it, Frank - I think I stained an oblique laughing at that! /
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Bottom line it seems is that a large portion of the hobby doesn't know and will likely never know about most of this. That leaves a smaller portion in which a significant amount of folks care less about bad acts/actors and being cheated than not getting what they want.
As long as the flip is "the coin of the realm" ain't much going to change in my opinion.
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This was from early in the thread, but I just laughed out loud when someone said they needed "video evidence" to believe PWCC was involved in this completely obvious fraud. Hilarious. Try changing that guy's mind on ANYTHING. He's dug in like a tick.
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It is not about money its about supply. I just checked my EBAY history and the last purchase I made through PWCC was September 26 and I spent $20.80 before shipping. Their shipping by the way is miles ahead of almost all EBAY participants. These two cards I won well below my max bids. Prior to that I won a card on July 26th for $90. Guess what there hasn't been one listed since. We are approaching a year. I could live without all three of these cards but in June they listed a card I really wanted. I am not going to just let someone else win that card I want because the internet thinks I should boycott a seller. You will notice all that have said they will continue to purchase from them haven't once said those that wouldn't are stupid. The same can't be said for the opposite. I am betting on human behavior and I believe the supply will continue to attract the bids. |
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If you do a search by PSA on EBAY by highest price 20 of the top 25 cards with bids being auctioned off right now are through PWCC.
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I'm boycotting PWCC. Probstein has nothing to do with PWCC.
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Funny how the Blow out detectives haven't found any cards linked to him edited maybe one or two bought, none sold I believe
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It's easy for me. I see their listings, I move along. I spend my money elsewhere. If that's hard for you or anyone else, that's a personal issue.
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If you can show that Probstein has done the same crap, then show us. I know they have a shady history too, but not to this extent, to my knowledge, so far.
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I know for fact the same names that you see listed on Blowout send cards to both. People are fooling themselves if they think that somehow they insulate themselves by avoiding PWCC. One of the names that was listed a month or so back runs his own auctions. I was outed as someone who had made a comment about winning a card from him. |
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...but, he's still DEAD to me!!! =
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Heritage yet sold via PWCC I wonder who paid that invoice and where it was shipped? They must be utilizing PWCC because he gets more eyeballs not because A. He used PWCC_auctions to bid up his own account B. Advises people what to bid on
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