Need help on this Mantle please...

[vthobby]

A friend owns this and I an on the fence on it.

It's a bit controversial to boot either way.

Good? Bad? Thanks in advance!

Mike

IMG_2156 2.jpg

IMG_2156.jpg

[shelly]

Tell your friend that he has a 16x20 that will sell for around 3000 or more

Just a little bit of history. Mantle hated Joe D. One of the things he despised him for was, his rule that he would not go to an old timers game without being announced as the greatest living ball player. Of course the catch in center field that cost him to be injured throughout his career.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by shelly

Tell your friend that he has a 16x20 that will sell for around 3000 or more

Just a little bit of history. Mantle hated Joe D. One of the things he despised him for was, his rule that he would not go to an old timers game without being announced as the greatest living ball player. Of course the catch in center field that cost him to be injured throughout his career.

+1 on authenticity. Not sure about $3K value but in today's world with that inscription I would not be surprised at any price it got in a major auction. Maybe much more than $3K in the right setting.

[vthobby]

Thank you both!

[Lucas00]

I remember reading a not so flattering story about Joe, might’ve even been from a forum member?

One day in a restaurant Joe frequented (Forget the name) he was approached by a young fan for an autograph. Joe said something to the tune of leave me alone can’t you see I’m eating?

The restaurant owner, A good friend of Joe. Who mind you let Joe eat for free Anytime he came in, (it was almost daily I believe). And we’re not talking McDonald’s. Joe was getting nice steak dinners on the house and was at this point, very wealthy. Anyways, the owner saw this happen and was absolutely furious at Joe. I don’t remember exactly what happened after but I don’t think Joe was eating on the house there ever again.

Story is a bit spotty but the just is there.

Another fun fact about Joe, my father got his autograph at a minor league game (sometime in the 80s) when he was the spokesman for Mr. Coffee. He was doing some kind of promo at the game. My dad only had a crappy glove to get signed by Joe so he did, and let me say cheap ballpoint pens and old gloves do not mix at all. It is almost completely faded unfortunately.
Interestingly he told me there wasn’t a soul around Joe and he walked right up to where he was sitting and Joe had no problem signing it.

Can you imagine Mike Trout showing up at a random Minor league game and basically sitting by himself in a corner promoting a random product and nobody caring? Unreal.

[jingram058]

I do not think Mantle despised DiMaggio or vice versa.

I have a baseball personally signed by DiMaggio with the added inscription "Yankee Clipper". This was obtained from him at his children's hospital, in person, for free. GRATIS. Before we dump on Joe, ask yourself, how many sign for free today? Not very many, yes?

[A2000]

This Mantle is 100% a forgery and it's not even really close.

[rand1com]

Sorry but you are dead wrong. It is as authentic as they come. It will pass PSA/DNA, JSA, or Beckett with no problems.

[A2000]

No reputable TPA would pass this. PSA/DNA has a quick opinion service and Beckett has a signature review service that I believe is $10@ for an online review. The OP should get their opinion on this.

This is a very low level forgery that the aforementioned companies would fail every single time.

[7nohitter]

Originally Posted by A2000

This Mantle is 100% a forgery and it's not even really close.

Ummmmm.....if Shelley said it's 'good'....it is good.

[gonefishin]

Regardless of what the inscription reads, I agree with the authenticity. PSA would not only authenticate the auto, but would authenticate the handwriting. Check out the M - it appears several times and appears to be very consistent with later years writing and autograph. However, I could be wrong.

FYI, I just had a DiMaggio authenticated by PSA. I included snaps of the event where he signed it, or they may not have authenticated it. The cost for DiMaggio authentication is now at $75 - wow. Attached is a photo.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by A2000

This Mantle is 100% a forgery and it's not even really close.

I am willing to bet 500 dollars how about you

Please go to this site and tell me this is also a forgery https://www.ebay.com/itm/175177638779

[A2000]

Originally Posted by shelly

I am willing to bet 500 dollars how about you

Please go to this site and tell me this is also a forgery https://www.ebay.com/itm/175177638779

Shelly, I would be happy to take you up on that $500 bet, but I wouldn't accept the money, and would instead have it donated to a good cause.

The link you sent for that ebay listing is of course a copy of a forgery as well.

These are easy to spot forgeries. Please contact someone who is an expert on Mantle autographs. Reach out to someone in JSA, Beckett or PSA/DNA and let's settle this.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by A2000

This Mantle is 100% a forgery and it's not even really close.

Can you show me another item like this. You must know of a few to be so sure.
Is the Mantle signiture a fogery on tha piece as well.

[Duluth Eskimo]

This autograph is as solid as it gets.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I do not think Mantle despised DiMaggio or vice versa.

I have a baseball personally signed by DiMaggio with the added inscription "Yankee Clipper". This was obtained from him at his children's hospital, in person, for free. GRATIS. Before we dump on Joe, ask yourself, how many sign for free today? Not very many, yes?

It is a fact that they did not like each other. Sometimes they were forced through contracts to sign the same item at shows but neither liked doing it. The dual signed items are rare and sell for a nice premium. A dual signed ball will easily go for $2K or likely more.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by rand1com

It is a fact that they did not like each other. Sometimes they were forced through contracts to sign the same item at shows but neither liked doing it. The dual signed items are rare and sell for a nice premium. A dual signed ball will easily go for $2K or likely more.

Joe would not sign the ball if Mantle was on it.

[rand1com]

Originally Posted by shelly

Joe would not sign the ball if Mantle was on it.

Well, one of them would sign with the other on it because I have seen dual signed baseballs. Maybe Joe signed first and then Mickey signed but there are balls out there signed by both.

[Mr. Zipper]

Interesting debate. I have a lot of respect for some of the folks supporting this piece, but it is undoubtedly bad in my opinion. It is consistent with the style of a known -- a relatively skilled -- Long Island forger.

* Overall it has a squat, tight, "blocky" look.
* The Ms are the same height as the "ickey" and "antle" ... they should be notably higher.

I've attached a photo of an item from the forger I suspect penned the item in question. I can state for a fact that the item in question would not pass at least one of the big three TPAs.