Enough with the hostility...

wazoo · #1 03-03-2013, 07:25 PM

Hey guys, I hope all is well. I wanted to bring this thread up because I'm sure some others feel the same way (I hope). I feel that the environment has become quite hostile recently, and some of our inner feelings are really starting to come out. Don't get my wrong, that's not always a bad thing, but I feel like we've come to the point where enough is enough. I want to get back to learning more about t206s and other sets, but I feel this is being clouded by each others' emotions. I know a lot of it is sarcasm, but I just don't think it's needed. Let's think about it, we're all card/memorabilia collectors, we all have that in common. I'm not complaining, I just feel like that it has discouraged me from posting as much as I usually do.

Leon · #2 03-03-2013, 08:10 PM

I agree Wazoo. And some will say I can stop the bickering. Well, yes and no. As I was telling a member yesterday, my MO is always to let things go as much as possible. It always has been. That being said 2 threads have been locked in the last week. That is unusual. Thanks for posting about this Wazoo. I hope everyone will work on being more civil. And if you don't like the way the board is going, start a good thread and take it in another direction.

zljones · #3 03-03-2013, 08:15 PM

I am in agreement, in the past I posted some threads that revealed a good amount about myself, because I do not hold things back alot of times, but I was met with some sarcastic smart ass remarks from some. I just don't understand what makes a person be cocky when someone else is sharing about themselves. I'm not cocky so I don't understand.
But for the most part I have had great experiences talking, buying, selling. And hope to come back and buy again once I find work. Still a great forum

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wazoo · #4 03-03-2013, 08:23 PM

Thank you Leon. I feel the board is fine, but this just knocked us all a little off course. Now I'm not saying stop all the jokes and the good times, but we all need to learn when it's time to call it quits. Just how I'm feeling about this matter. Thanks once again guys.

MacDice · #5 03-03-2013, 08:25 PM

I don't think that anyone can argue that we all need to play nicely. The hard part is sometimes someone is being sarcastic in an innocent way but then some people don't take well to the sarcasm or don't realize it is sarcasm. This can be especially difficult when so many of us have never met each other and don't have a relationship with each other outside this form. That is why we need to chose our words carefully.

HRBAKER · #6 03-03-2013, 08:29 PM

I would also point out that there are some folks here that have been going back and forth with each other for years, and I mean years. We have migrated over from two previous incantations of the board. Others without the benefit of having seen how we "play" with each other might take things the wrong way at times. Also while there is nothing to be gained from outright hostility, a little bit of thick skin can serve one well. Wazoo, nice post.

itjclarke · #7 03-03-2013, 08:32 PM

I also agree with OP. I probably haven't been involved enough to get caught in the middle of any of the agressive, hostile, or condescending posts/threads.. but am pretty taken aback by some of them. I especially feel bad for some of the newer board members (I fall into that category) that have an honest question, but get hammered.. a recent thread about authenticity of a T206, and other about the oil pianting come to mind. It would be a bummer if people just trying to learn or get feedback become less likely to post their questions. Everyone one was a beginner at some point, and a lot of things that are obvious to many are not to others. For me, it's a hobby, it's for fun.. I do not really understand where all the ego and attitude fit into it.

Matthew H · #8 03-03-2013, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

I also agree with OP. I probably haven't been involved enough to get caught in the middle of any of the agressive, hostile, or condescending posts/threads.. but am pretty taken aback by some of them. I especially feel bad for some of the newer board members (I fall into that category) that have an honest question, but get hammered.. a recent thread about authenticity of a T206, and other about the oil pianting come to mind. It would be a bummer if people just trying to learn or get feedback become less likely to post their questions. Everyone one was a beginner at some point, and a lot of things that are obvious to many are not to others. For me, it's a hobby, it's for fun.. I do not really understand where all the ego and attitude fit into it.

I was a part of the oil painting thread and can give you specific reasons for my post. The auctioneer who started the thread, in my opinion, seems to hype auctions even more than the usual. It wasn't a bad thing, again in my opinion, to chop down the idea that it was somehow a prominent painting of Cy Young. I could already see the auction description in my head.

I agree that the board seems more aggressive than usuall, but I think it has a lot to do with the large influx of new members getting defensive and taking things too personally. Some people used to find some of the sarcasm funny. I did. The personal attacks are getting a bit out of hand but I think it has a lot to do with misunderstanding, followed by a subsequent snow ball effect.

-Matt

HRBAKER · #9 03-03-2013, 08:57 PM

I agree that the board seems more aggressive than usuall, but I think it has a lot to do with the large influx of new members getting defensive and taking things too personally. Some people used to find some of the sarcasm funny. I did. The personal attacks are getting a bit out of hand but I think it has a lot to do with misunderstanding, followed by a subsequent snow ball effect.

+1

freakhappy · #10 03-03-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

I also agree with OP. I probably haven't been involved enough to get caught in the middle of any of the agressive, hostile, or condescending posts/threads.. but am pretty taken aback by some of them. I especially feel bad for some of the newer board members (I fall into that category) that have an honest question, but get hammered.. a recent thread about authenticity of a T206, and other about the oil pianting come to mind. It would be a bummer if people just trying to learn or get feedback become less likely to post their questions. Everyone one was a beginner at some point, and a lot of things that are obvious to many are not to others. For me, it's a hobby, it's for fun.. I do not really understand where all the ego and attitude fit into it.

+1...well said, Ian.

I feel the same way about things. Some of these new guys get "jumped" when they post questions. I understand that to some of us the answer is clear as day, but to people that just joined and venturing into the hobby and pre-war, it's like learning a new language. All we can ask is for everyone to be a little patient and take a step back and evaluate.

Runscott · #11 03-04-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by freakhappy

+1...well said, Ian.

I feel the same way about things. Some of these new guys get "jumped" when they post questions.

Mike, it's not just the dumb questions - in some cases it's any questions or comments whatsoever - when I re-joined the hobby after a long hiatus, I found 'new' guys here who had joined while I was gone, and who seemed to have a need to 'protect their turf.' It takes a while to work past those people, and I can promise you they are paying no attention to this thread. If I thought they were, I wouldn't be posting this.

Edited to clarify: The 'new' guys I'm talking about are people who established themselves as board veterans while I was gone. Basically, newbies turn into oldies and some of them eventually become part of the problem - this should be obvious, but thought I would clarify. Also, it's good to keep such perspective when you join a new forum and feel like you are getting beaten up - remember that one day you'll be an old established guy and should treat the next generation of new guys better than you were treated.

triwak · #12 03-03-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by itjclarke

For me, it's a hobby, it's for fun.. I do not really understand where all the ego and attitude fit into it.

My sentiments exactly! I know we all compete with each other when it comes to bidding on items at auction. But these competitions about: "Who has the best collection?" or "Who has the most knowledge about a certain card set?" or "Who can come up with the snarkiest jab to a new collector?"... well, to me it demonstrates someone trying overcompensate for something. Total nerdville!

Matthew H · #13 03-03-2013, 09:30 PM

In all of the new member introduction threads, I can't recall a single snarky comment. I guess I'm just not seeing what others are...

Ken, as far as "total nerdville"... Ummmmmm, we collect baseball cards. Easily the least nerdiest thing on the planet. In fact I heard they're writing James Bond's baseball card collection into the next 007 flick

drmondobueno · #14 03-04-2013, 09:42 AM

Couldn't help myself.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nkhTA...%3DnkhTA6MQ3BQ

Eric72 · #15 03-04-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazoo

I want to get back to learning more about t206s and other sets

Waz,

I couldn't agree more...both with the spirit of your original post and specifically with this portion of it. Sorry for being so late to your thread.

Collectively, this board has a vast amount of knowledge about the hobby, perhaps second to none. When this information is shared freely, for the betterment of all involved, the results are tremendous. When things get sidetracked...probably not so much

Hope your week is off to a great start.

Best Regards,

Eric

4815162342 · #16 03-05-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chaddurbin

... used to be only lichtman and rob d were the snarky ones. now that they post less there's a bunch of people trying out for those spots, unfortunately they're not as smart, funny, or knowledgeable.

+1