Will the owner re-slab the Wagner?

Runscott · #1 07-27-2012, 09:55 AM

There have been a few guesses as to how the Mastro indictment will affect the Wagner. Barry's response to the main indictment post got me thinking that a poll might be interesting.

Personally, I don't think the card will be re-slabbed, or that the value will be affected. It might be many years before we get the answer to the 'value' question, but curious what people think about re-slabbing and PSA compensation.

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

You can't have the most famous and most valuable card in the hobby remain a sham. It's not an 8 and never was. It's time for it to be reholdered.

It's very possible the current owner would refuse to do it, as is his prerogative. Or maybe he bought it because he wanted to own the best baseball card in existence, and now he will realize it isn't. So PSA or the seller or the previous owner has to compensate him big time, and then he can have it reholdered. It's still a gorgeous card and would sell for a whole lot of money. But not for millions, and not as a NR MT/MT.

If the hobby is to be purged of all this garbage, that card has to be a part of it.

barrysloate · #2 07-27-2012, 09:57 AM

I don't think it will either Scott. While I think it's the right thing to do, it's still a long shot.

Matthew H · #3 07-27-2012, 09:58 AM

Is it really possible that someone can drop 2.8 million dollars on on a piece of cardboard with out knowing the history of the item? I always assumed the owners knew what they bought.

Matthew H · #4 07-27-2012, 10:02 AM

I also think that the owner shouldn't be able to ask for compensation until the card is re-graded and sold. I don't think it's fair to guess what the card will sell for in an auth slab.

whitehse · #5 07-27-2012, 10:08 AM

I almost think this card has become more iconic in the hobby than it was before. Removing from it's current slab would make it nothing more than a "common" Wagner (if that is possible). Everyone knew it was trimmed card before now so removing it from this slab would just ruin the mistique of the card. If and when this card comes on the market I am sure the new price will reflect what is now common knowledge where before there were only whispers of its past.

Runscott · #6 07-27-2012, 10:09 AM

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

g_vezina_c55 · #7 07-27-2012, 10:14 AM

i vote for a re-grade by SGC

barrysloate · #8 07-27-2012, 10:14 AM

I voted for the last choice so it wouldn't get shut out. I know that nothing will change. Idealism and capitalism do not intersect.

timzcardz · #9 07-27-2012, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

And will PSA slab them "AUTH TRIMMINGS"?

bsuttonosu · #10 07-27-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Perhaps now that the truth is going to be told 'officially', Mastro will produce a small box containing the Wagner trimmings. If he doesn't , someone will.

If Topps gets ahold of them they'll probably put them in a 2013 Topps relic card. I can just see a Wagner Cuts Relic being the big pull next year.

ls7plus · #11 07-28-2012, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whitehse

I almost think this card has become more iconic in the hobby than it was before. Removing from it's current slab would make it nothing more than a "common" Wagner (if that is possible). Everyone knew it was trimmed card before now so removing it from this slab would just ruin the mistique of the card. If and when this card comes on the market I am sure the new price will reflect what is now common knowledge where before there were only whispers of its past.

+1

All the best, guys,

Larry

Leon · #12 07-27-2012, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Matthew H

Is it really possible that someone can drop 2.8 million dollars on on a piece of cardboard with out knowing the history of the item?

NO.

ctownboy · #13 07-27-2012, 11:04 AM

IF Mastro is truly on the up and up NOW and IF he is going to tell the truth about the Wagner then MAYBE we will find out whether the Wagner was cut from a sheet. Furthermore, IF the card WAS cut from a sheet then MAYBE there is a photograph of that sheet.

If so, then MAYBE that photo will be released and we will have a better idea of how T206's were printed, as far as, how many cards were on a sheet and how the players were arranged.

David

atx840 · #14 07-27-2012, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

a small box containing the Wagner trimmings.

The ultimate scrap, Johnny start saving.

atx840 · #15 07-29-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

If the card was destroyed would anybody agree or be satisfied? I'm being serious btw.
GB

Um no, don't take it out on the card.....

boneheadandrube · #16 07-29-2012, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by atx840

Um no, don't take it out on the card.....

Agreed,
Just tired of thinking about a trimmed T206. I was heavily involved in this hobby (pre WWII stuff) when I was an early teenager ('87ish) and was completely taken advantage of by A-Hole dealer types that would sell me trimmed T206's...I would then unwittingly sell them to collectors that trusted and liked me...I've had to live with this for a long time...
GB

Peter_Spaeth · #17 07-29-2012, 03:35 PM

Greg, I am sure Honus has plenty of company in high graded slabs, so destroying one card wouldn't do much to ease your pain, unfortunately.

boneheadandrube · #18 07-29-2012, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Greg, I am sure Honus has plenty of company in high graded slabs, so destroying one card wouldn't do much to ease your pain, unfortunately.

Agreed again...would make one hell of a youtube though. "scotch taped to an m80" Boom! and no more...

GB

Runscott · #19 07-29-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheadandrube

Agreed,
Just tired of thinking about a trimmed T206. I was heavily involved in this hobby (pre WWII stuff) when I was an early teenager ('87ish) and was completely taken advantage of by A-Hole dealer types that would sell me trimmed T206's...I would then unwittingly sell them to collectors that trusted and liked me...I've had to live with this for a long time...
GB

A good poll: what percentage of NM and up cards slabbed by PSA and SGC are trimmed? I won't post such a poll, but my personal guess is 85%

Peter_Spaeth · #20 07-29-2012, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

A good poll: what percentage of NM and up cards slabbed by PSA and SGC are trimmed? I won't post such a poll, but my personal guess is 85%

Pre WWI cards?

Runscott · #21 07-29-2012, 05:00 PM

Sorry, I meant to say T206's.

View Poll Results: How will the indictment affect the Wagner?
owner will not re-slab, PSA will NOT compensate (no change)	150	77.32%
owner will not re-slab, PSA will compensate	6	3.09%
owner will re-slab, PSA will NOT compensate	7	3.61%
owner will re-slab, PSA will compensate	31	15.98%
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