Question for RAW card sellers?

[bobbyw8469]

I recently sold a raw card on Ebay. The buyer sent it off to PSA and PSA claimed the card was trimmed. Basically, do raw card sellers guarantee that PSA will grade the card or is that a given?

[HRBAKER]

I'm not a seller but I think if you are this is the world you are operating in today. It's up to you, sounds like there was no expressed guarantee. Probably makes good sense from a business and feedback standpoint to stand behind your product as long as you are getting the same card back.

[bobbyw8469]

I told him to send it back, and it had to be the same card. I wonder if it had graded an 8 or 8.5, if he would have paid me the extra money (he paid about the price of a 5)?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I told him to send it back, and it had to be the same card. I wonder if it had graded an 8 or 8.5, if he would have paid me the extra money (he paid about the price of a 5)?

I understand what you are saying but that's not a relevant point to me. If you wanted "8" money in that instance you could have had it graded. At least it does not sound like he is trying to get the grading fees from you too. Some buyers would. You left the potential "8 or 8.5" money on the table when you decided not to have it graded.

[lharri3600]

LOL no way!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I told him to send it back, and it had to be the same card. I wonder if it had graded an 8 or 8.5, if he would have paid me the extra money (he paid about the price of a 5)?

What kinda card was it???

[joeadcock]

I would probably take the card back as you indicate. I would then from now on indicate in the description that you do not take returns(IF YOU DO not want to take returns). Personally, I would take the card back(as I am sure you would) because you did not intend to sell a trimmed card. This of course is assuming that it really happened as the buyer says.

Also in the interest of maintaining good feedback, you may want to take the card back.

Frank

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I recently sold a raw card on Ebay. The buyer sent it off to PSA and PSA claimed the card was trimmed. Basically, do raw card sellers guarantee that PSA will grade the card or is that a given?

I can't believe that this is a serious question. You advertised the card as "NEAR MINT/MINT" and if it is trimmed, then it is definitely NOT "NEAR MINT/MINT." As a seller, you should stand behind your product (and your claim).

What exactly are you thinking here? Do you think that the buyer is lying to you, or do you believe that PSA could have made a mistake? If you're claiming PSA could have made a mistake then you probably should remove the part in your description that says PSA is one of the "best 3rd party graders available." You either trust PSA's opinion or your don't.

Here's the real kicker. Finally your listing says, "Anything not graded by one of these grading companies isn't worth the money paid for it." So in other words, the Mays isn't worth the money paid for it?

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Refund the buyer the money and quit asking ridiculous questions.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Refund the buyer the money and quit asking ridiculous questions.

+1 +1 ..... (that equals +2)

[bobbyw8469]

Point taken...thanks for all the advice.

[k-dog]

I agree with Leon to a point...but the truth is, many cards have been submitted and were originally labeled as trimmed...but after several more submissions were later graded. Anyone selling raw cards(this is not meant as an attack directly to you), should at least have the basic knowledge and experience to know whether it is trimmed. And if it is, giving a refund would be the right thing, Just my opinion as well.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Bobby,

I didn’t mean to be too hard and If I seem a little bitter about the situation, it’s because I am. About 4 years ago I had a similar situation happen to me. I purchased 4 high end raw cards ($2200 total) from a seller on eBay by the username “ValreySportsCards” (or something very similar) from Downey, CA. I sent them to PSA and they all came back as trimmed. The seller promised me a refund if I sent the cards back to him, which I did. However, I had to jump through hoops to finally get the refund, including calling the fraud division of his local police department. The seller has/had other usernames as well such as “jojosportsheaven.” Anyway, I know what it feels like to be on the buying end of trimmed cards. I have always enjoyed looking at your auctions and hope you make the right decision.

David

[nam812]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I also have to question why most of your other cards are graded by PSA and a Mays this sweet looking is not???

Because he sent it to PSA and it was deemed EOT, but he failed to disclose that when he sold it raw.

bobbyw8469 started a similar whiny thread on CU (http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=785657) about this 1955 Bowman Mays, and when he was questioned as to whether or not he had subbed that card to PSA first himself he said he did not.

This thread (http://forums.collectors.com/message...hreadid=771322) shows he DID sub it to PSA and received an EOT. So he knew it was EOT, and sold it raw without disclosure.

Edited cause I cant seem to do links here.

[jb217676]

I read that whole thread. Pretty vicious!

[teetwoohsix]

Uhm, wow.......

[Jim VB]

Bobby does NOT come off looking too good here.

[chaddurbin]

maybe it was a different NRMT '55 mays bobby submitted?

a small favor...can you guys stop being dirtbags and shady as hell so i won't have to block/ignore you guys on the board for my viewing pleasure?

[Matthew H]

Yikes

[Leon]

Maybe Bobby will answer the question of not having it graded but saying he did, on the other board? Not a good day for Bobby.......unless it's a different raw '55 Bowman Mays in NRMT shape .

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

maybe it was a different NRMT '55 mays bobby submitted?

a small favor...can you guys stop being dirtbags and shady as hell so i won't have to block/ignore you guys on the board for my viewing pleasure?

LOL.

OK. I'll try.