What Would You Do With This Forum Transaction?

[Leon]

I received a pm yesterday from a very long time board member and they would like to get some additional thoughts on this situation below. The card in question is valued at around $400 (at time of transaction.)
Some identifying info has been edited with xx's
**The time frame from the transaction date to now is actually 4 1/2 yrs.


"After a few years of relative inactivity, I find myself getting back into the hobby. One of the first things I’ve done is take a look at my collection. While doing this, I noticed a card that doesn’t fit properly in its PSA slab. It is a so-called “maraca” card, with space between the card and the inner edges of the holder. Here is a scan I’ve had listed here on Net54 since 2016:

(xx)

I bought this through the BST a few years ago. At the time, I had PSA reholder it. There was an error on the flip. They slabbed a Topps card as O Pee Chee. Here is the BST thread:

(xx)

Everything went well at he time, so I didn’t give this a second thought until going through my cards over the weekend. Given the recent news regarding PSA holders and trimmed cards, I’m concerned (nearly certain) this (xx) card may be altered.

Even though all the “evidence” is there in the original BST thread, I am unsure whether it is appropriate to ask the seller for a refund. After all, a few years have gone by since the transaction.

Has it been too long? Was it my fault for not noticing? Did having it reholdered negate my chance of ever returning this? Or, perhaps, the card really is fine and I’m just being paranoid.

My goodness, this hobby can be complicated sometimes. Any advice you can give would be appreciated."




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[bnorth]

The 2 big things for me is 1) it is in a new slab 2) the length of time that has passed. Personally for me either of those make the card not returnable.

It never hurts t ask for a return on a altered card but you can easily get the same response of "pound sand" like has happened on here before.

[swarmee]

I would say:
1) Cards may not fit their holders all the time.
2) Card is probably not trimmed.
3) We are way outside the return window.
4) Not enough information.

Way forward: if you are concerned about the card being altered, inspect it yourself for trimming (bat ears, unusual cut, etc) and if you can find some, send it back to PSA under their grade guarantee by submitting for a review. If PSA says it's now trimmed, they owe the difference between an altered and a true card in that condition.
If PSA says it is not trimmed and reholders it with a current slab, they may use one that now fits the card better so the shortness in holder effect is no longer evident.

[perezfan]

Completely agree with John... perfect response.

Return it to PSA under their guarantee, and just take it from there.

[Rhotchkiss]

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

[HRBAKER]

Lots of cards sitting in these holders that are altered have been purchased longer than four years ago IMO, lots. Why were they not inspected thoroughly at the time of purchase and also in the interim - bc they were certified, rectified and sanctified by the experts. Who are the experts? You know the self proclaimed, heavily promoted and recently undressed ones. Agree wholeheartedly the card goes back to the experts in this case.

If the card is altered I hope this works out for you.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

[Johnny630]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

That's the loophole in the guarantee of course -- they have to agree the card they slabbed in the first place is altered. They can control their payout just by saying it isn't, whether they're right or not.

Exactly it’s just their opinion....prove it.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by Rhotchkiss

Ben and John hit the nail on the head. I agree wholeheartedly with both.

I have a PSA-holdered card I bought off BST that, it turns out, used to sit in an SGC A flip. I sent it into PSA under the guarantee and they affirmed their opinion of a numerical grade; it now sits in a new holder but with the old/original PSA cert#. While I am skeptical, it’s all I can do; and, theoretically, they are the experts

So who got it right and who got it wrong? Are we to believe SGC are the experts or PSA is the expert? This is the only thing I hate about grading as everything is subjective to the eyes of humans.

[bobbyw8469]

I wish someone would send back that Namath rookie I sold. I would gladly give them their 2k back.

[DeanH3]

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

[Peter_Spaeth]

What would Steve Sloan say to do?

[BigBeerGut]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

Buyer Beware
If the PSA slab is good then buyer is happy
If the PSA slab is no good then it is the owners fault not PSA?

MJD

[Luke]

Agree with John's reply. Asking for a return after 4 years in this case would be in poor taste imo.

4 years is a long time. The seller could be out of the hobby and/or not have a spare $400 laying around.

If the sale was fraudulent in some way, that's another story.

[irishdenny]

"Buy the card, Not Flip!"
A lil ways back, Sumone suggested this to me!

This Started back when PSA Slabbed the PSA 8 Wagner.
i wonder why!?!?

i've purchased Numerical Graded Cards Knowing thay were Trimmed, Altered etc...
i've had Cards Reviewed wit an "A" that were given a Number!

If we All Honestly went through Our Collections and thought about how the Hobby has changed in the past 20 years ...
a whole mess of us would find at least one card that could fall inta the Same Category as the OP's Possibly Trimmed(maybe not Trimmed?) Slabbed Thought!

in Ending... if it were me that Sold You the Card!? ...
i would take it Back... if it was Prewar!!!

[EvilKing00]

1- sounds like the buyer is unsure if its a trimmed card

2- 2 years is a long time

3- its been reholdered

I dont think a refund is warranted with these issues

[bigfish]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Sorry for any harshness, but this is getting ridiculous. Returning a card after 4+ years? Craziness.

Cheers Dean

[BigBeerGut]

It is not a hobby
It is a business
Happy Turkey To All !
MJD