T206 Titus and Bliss *cancelled*

[Louieman]

Hey, looking to sell these cards, ideally together. The Jack Bliss has outstanding eye appeal, and the corners are excellent, but a little paper loss at the top of its back knocked it to a PSA 2. Initially I bought the Titus because he's the only 'stache in the set, but that sentiment wore off for me...still think it's an excellent card. Both are Piedmont 350, factory 25

Looking for $60 or best offer, pm if interested.

[Louieman]

Here are the backs as well

[bbcard1]

i'll take them if still available

[Sean1125]

I'm surprised no one told him the Titus is worth about $400.

[Gradedcardman]

It is now done !!

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I'm surprised no one told him the Titus is worth about $400.

Yeah... I'm guessing he didn't research Titus-itis before posting this.

[bbcard1]

The seller withdrew the offer, so it goes. Reneged is another word, but it was probably a deal too good to be true.

For those who responded to the OP, that's cool, but I hope you consider your motives. Was it just because you missed out? I remember earlier this year there was a lot of Obaks posted here that were literally a couple of bucks each and TONS of competition for it but the seller ended up honoring his original price.

One of the reasons we collect is to get a good buy now and then...one on the order of 10-25% of the value of the card. It is not only reasonable but probably necessary because the course of the the hobby is that you will overpay for some things. When you spend a lot of time scouring boards, the reward for it is that sometimes you are first in and you offer a seller a price that he set that is too low.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I'm surprised no one told him the Titus is worth about $400.

Possibly more. I think it looks better than the 3.5 in the recent goodwin and it has a realized price of $561.68:

[freakhappy]

Move on, Phil. Will you be able to sleep better tonight if we force him to sell the card? Is it better if we make him sell it for $30 and let Todd resell it for $400? Would that settle the score? Just relax and move on.


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[pgellis]

Originally Posted by freakhappy

Move on, Phil. Will you be able to sleep better tonight if we force him to sell the card? Is it better if we make him sell it for $30 and let Todd resell it for $400? Would that settle the score? Just relax and move on.


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Yes Mikey, that would make me feel better. Is it all about the money? What about honor? Who said Todd would re-sell it? It's all about the money to a lot of people on here and yes, that does surprise me.

Mikey, would you feel differently if the OP sold it to someone who contacted him off-line the other night and didn't give the "first buyer" the chance to match it? Because that's what I feel has happened here.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by pgellis

Yes Mikey, that would make me feel better. Is it all about the money? What about honor? Who said Todd would re-sell it? It's all about the money to a lot of people on here and yes, that does surprise me.



Mikey, would you feel differently if the OP sold it to someone who contacted him off-line the other night and didn't give the "first buyer" the chance to match it? Because that's what I feel has happened here.

Do you really think Todd would be this upset if he wasn't going to resell it? Really? Sure, he might keep it, but I've noticed he mentioned it in another thread so that tells me he's pretty steamed and he was ready to make some money and that doesn't bother me at all...but it seems obvious to me.

I don't give a rat's a** that he backed out of the deal...good for him. I hate to see anyone get the short end of the stick, even if it was his fault.

I like "mikey"...makes me feel like a kid again


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[bbcard1]

I would have used it as an upgrade and not resold it. And to be honest his sense of an apology basically is, "I know I agreed to it, but rookie mistake on my part, sucks for you" which didn't really give me warm and fuzzies. He absolutely did accept the deal just cancelled it after the fact. By way of explanation, I think most on this board agree that Titus is a tulip bulb run up by over speculation. In fact I would rate it as the most likely card in the set to lose value which is why I jumped on it at a low price. actually thought it was a nice 2 until rechecking the listing but knew it would not last long so I jumped on it soon as I saw it. I have one I bought last year ironically for 60 that is OC top to bottom so it will work fine.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

I would have used it as an upgrade and not resold it. And to be honest his sense of an apology basically is, "I know I agreed to it, but rookie mistake on my part, sucks for you" which didn't really give me warm and fuzzies.

I completely believe you, Todd and I feel for you on this one. When I saw the thread I clicked on it quickly to see what it was all about and noticed you had claimed them. I will tell you the truth, I never had a chance to think about what I would have done in this situation...but only had a chance to reply after everything had been done. If the op had this card for $200 it would not have been a big deal to me, but for pennies, it made sense to let him know about it...nothing personal.




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[Bored5000]

I sympathize with both the seller and the buyer, but I think the OP does deserve a mulligan as long as it never happens again. One thing I really like about this message board is that it is largely not as cutthroat as the hobby can be.

I would probably feel differently if the card would have been offered at 75 percent of its value or half its value. WRT the "honor" of the deal, wouldn't "honor" also come into play when buying a card for barely 10 percent of its value because the seller did not know what he had? I don't know either the buyer or the seller, but 10-15 percent of the card's value just feels wrong to me.

[frankbmd]

Not a lot of bliss in this thread. By the way what happened with the Bliss card?

[ullmandds]

Frank...when I saw your name I thought a song or poem was imminent...I must say I'm quite...disappointed!!!

[The Nasty Nati]

I feel for the seller. I wouldn't want to undersell something by $350.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by Bored5000

I sympathize with both the seller amd the buyer, but I think the OP does deserve a mulligan as long as it never happens again. One thing I really like about this message board is that it is largely not as cutthroat as the hobby can be.

I would probably feel differently if the card would have been offered at 75 percent of its value or half its value. WRT the "honor" of the deal, wouldn't "honor" also come into play when buying a card for barely 10 percent of its value because the seller did not know what he had? I don't know either the buyer or the seller, but 10-15 percent of the card's value just feels wrong to me.

I fully agree.

Hope Loiueman sticks around and isn't totally put off my drama, just or not (They're just cards!!!!!). He seems like a nice guy that made an honest mistake... Plus selfishly, I'd love to see more active members in my immediate area.

[pgellis]

I sure hope the "Price Patrol" is working on a Friday......making sure there are no bargains for any potential buyers.

[ZachS]

Originally Posted by pgellis

I sure hope the "Price Patrol" is working on a Friday......making sure there are no bargains for any potential buyers.

I feel that a large part of this forum is to educate collectors. I was glad to see someone step in and point out that this guy had seriously undervalued his Titus card. We have a new poster listing what he believes are two ordinary commons and not realizing that Titus has been carrying a premium (for reasons often contemplated on this board).

Many of us know about the various ways to check sales histories but this guy has been here a month. He probably has no idea what cardtarget or VCP means. I feel like not letting him know this information in this particular instance would be taking advantage of him.

I'm not pointing out who is right and who is wrong in this particular situation. I just hate to see people bashing a guy over a lack of knowledge. He's just started here and already some are trying to run him off.

This is my opinion.

[Eric72]

Wow…I don’t believe I have ever seen a BST thread with so many posts.
This is an interesting discussion, with quite a few valid points made on both sides of the debate.

If I were the seller, I would honor the original sale price and move on. But that’s just me. There are many things in life (and, daresay, the hobby) more important than a few hundred bucks.

I understand how suboptimal it is to miss out on a profit-maximizing opportunity; however, we’re not talking about a truly significant amount of money here. In no way, shape, or form is this similar to a little old lady selling a T206 Wagner for $100. This transaction would not disrupt anyone’s retirement income.

And what I have said above doesn’t address the value of one’s reputation…which, in my humble opinion, is worth far more than the OP could ever hope to gain from this one transaction.

As for the (relative) lack of sales experience the OP has and the helpful nature of this online community, I simply say this. If the OP reached out to board members before traipsing into the BST, things would have been decidedly different…but he didn’t. I am willing to give him a pass…this one time. We all start at the beginning, and should learn along the way. I truly hope he does…and hope that he stays on the board.

Just my two cents…I’m sure there are those who disagree and I welcome their comments.

Best regards,

Eric

[freakhappy]

Did someone lose a wallet...wait, what?


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[bigtrain]

I was up in the Cooperstown area a couple of weeks ago and had a nice time talking to long-time hobbyist Don Flewelling at his antique shop in Colliersville. Don also is the promoter of the card show at the Cooperstown VFW on Induction weekend, a very nice event. Don told me the story of a farmer who contacted him a few years ago about a stack of T206s he had inherited and was looking to sell to buy a piece of equipment. He was hoping to get about $4000 to buy the equipment. The cards were in very nice shape and the second one in the stack was a Plank. So Don could have paid the farmer $4000.00 for over $100,000.00 worth of cards. Instead, he helped the guy sell the Plank, which many of us are familiar with, for $80,000.00. Sometimes a "good deal" can be too good. I would not be comfortable buying something from an undereducated seller for 10% of its value. Better to be able to sleep at night.

[bbcard1]

With apologies for this rather long post, please, let's bring this to a close:

• I absolutely feel short changed but it's not a really big deal, sometimes things don't work out and my life is a wonderful thing. I have a serviceable set of 520 which I will continue to upgrade as I the opportunity reveals itself.

• I don't think stories like big trains have any relevance here at all here, if you do, good for you...totally different situation from years ago...and you could have probably gotten the nicest Titus in the room for $8 at that particular show.

• I own an ad agency. This past month, my company agreed to do a small research project for a client for $2000. The client made many changes in scope of the project and my company had to do a great deal of extra work. His account executive did not, in my opinion, adequately inform his that it was required a lot more effort, but in all fairness the client knew it was. We accrued over $11,500 in costs, so prior to billing, I called the marketing person and asked if we could work out a compromise. He said that he was sorry, he really should have talked more to me about it, but his boss would freak out if he came in with more than he had originally told him it would be...so we billed him $2000 with the hope we would continue to work together and try to make it up down life's road. I did it because that is what my company, and by extension myself, SAID WE WOULD DO. I had the paperwork that specified the number of revisions and such and could have billed the full amount, but chose not to because it is not the long-term way to do business.

• I feel and have always felt the Titus is radically overpriced. I could afford a $400 Titus but feel it is too much to pay for that card, regardless of what others are paying for it. For that matter, I feel like $200 is too much for the Titus and while I am sure someone would have bought if for that, it would not have been me. There have been many threads that generally concur that it is an overhyped card that is no rarer than any other T206. I bought one a few years ago that was in rough shape for $20. I upgraded it for a decent one that is off center with some back damage for $60 last year or so and decided I would wait to buy one at a price I felt good about and that if I waited long enough one would turn up...it did. That is what a collector does!

• I have no opinion on the matter of whether original seller stays on the board or not. On the one hand, I would hope anyone who has an interest would receive the enjoyment I have from the hobby, on the other hand, the only dealing I have had with him was less than honorable. I would not deal with him again.

• There is a distinct difference in my opinion between the informational section of this forum and the BST board. Again, if you see it differently we can still be friends but there's no sense in debating it.

• I appreciate Sean's offer, but it's not appropriate.

• It was dumb luck that I was first to answer and I surely wish I had not been. I have gained nothing from this crap except what I feel is unfair criticism.

• I am completely comfortable with my conduct in offering to buy a card from a dealer at a marketplace for a stated price. I have dozens upon dozens of deals completed with folks on this boards...and have gained many friends. I am also thankful for the PMs to the folks who told me they thought I had gotten hosed and that the criticisms that I had acted unethically were unfounded.

•*If the original seller was losing money, it was his own fault. I am pretty sure he paid less than he was selling if for. He was losing only conceptual profit, not money he had paid. Perhaps he should have paid the dealer he bought it from more.

• Had I gotten the card, I would have busted the slab in the first 15 minutes after receiving. It would have been put into a top load and likely stayed in my neat little T206 set box til I take my dirt nap, with the exception of occasional visits. I would have eventually done something with the card I upgraded. The last Titus I upgraded got passed along to a board member who needed it to complete his Phillies set.

• Finally to the folks that have taken a holier than thou stance, I hope you are given the opportunity to test your high valor in such a public forum in the near future.

[clydepepper]

You guys sure know how to make someone new feel welcome. What an understanding group you are.

As Leon pointed out, nobody was out any money. Take a flippin' pill and get over it.

Try not to spill your entire brain onto the threads...keep some things to yourself.

[clydepepper]

...that being said...

Is the Titus still available?