battlefield0516 t206 on ebay

[Luke]

This scumbag has listed a bunch of t206 that look really nice. They are most likely photoshopped. Just a heads up.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185850

[jlehma13]

Thanks, Luke. Hopefully this thread can remain up top for all to see.

[Cozumeleno]

Funny thing was that in my regular daily T206 searches, I saw a bunch of these and didn't even need to click on them to know whose they were just by the titles

[pawpawdiv9]

Yep, we got a few post-war threads on this guy as well from a few collectors.

[rednecksims]

I almost fell for a few of his auctions but recognized the name from another site where they had listed is fraudulent auctions. Too bad as some of the "scans" would make some nice cards.

David

[The Nasty Nati]

I bought a raw t206 Huggins Hands At Mouth from him about a year ago. In the description he had all this bs like it was the nicest raw example you'll ever find of this Hofer. From the picture I could tell the corners were a bit rounded, but I figured it would still be in GD to VG condition. But after receiving it in the mail, there was heavy paper loss in the bottom left corner that never showed up in the photo. It was as if he lightened the photo of the card enough to make it seem undetectable.

I didnt spend all that much on the card so I wasn't too bummed, but if you describe a card as VG+ and you know darn well it's not, that's a shady seller.

[pclpads]

Seller just ran a '56T Koufax PSA 7 that closed yesterday at $310 w/ 31 bids. No back pic. Trying to upgrade my 6 and was tempted to bid. But, thanks to alarms raised in this thread, decided to pass.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by pclpads

Seller just ran a '56T Koufax PSA 7 that closed yesterday at $310 w/ 31 bids. No back pic. Trying to upgrade my 6 and was tempted to bid. But, thanks to alarms raised in this thread, decided to pass.

I think the graded cards are OK. The issue with battlefield has always been, and will always be the ungraded stuff.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

I think the graded cards are OK. The issue with battlefield has always been, and will always be the ungraded stuff.

At least if the cards are graded by a reputable company there (probably) won't be the Photoshop escapades shown in this thread. That being said, with 937 true auctions I will venture to guess ebay might be slow to say anything....**according to the listings 933 are raw and 3 are graded (that deserves a "Yikes")....I guess 1 is unidentified or ended in the past seconds ....

http://www.ebay.com/sch/battlefield0...p2047675.l2562

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[buymycards]

I don't think he is photoshopping his cards. I think he is using stock photos from ebay. When you list on ebay, ebay always asks if you want to use stock photos from current listings. I pretended that I was going to sell a 1933 Goudey #81 and I used the stock photo. The photo that came up was the exact card that he is selling. This way, he doesn't have to scan any of his cards. That is why his scans are small and they can't be zoomed. That is also why he doesn't show back scans.

I bought a 33 Goudey from him that looked like a nice card in the listing, but when I received the card, the top third of the card was completely missing. When I contacted him about it, he insisted that I had received the card that was shown in the listing.

Rick

[CW]

Check this thread, Rick.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=185850

You'll see many photos used by this seller, and then the actual card received by the high bidder. The centering on those cards matches perfectly, and you can clearly see how the seller manipulates the scan with a photoshop-type program.

Also, I bought a Gretzky RC from Battlefield a few years back before I knew about their practices. When I received the card I noticed a lot more wear on the upper right corner than what appeared in Battlefield0516's scan on eBay. I dug deeper and found the same card had sold months before on eBay. You can clearly see the wear on the original scan, but on Battlefield0516's scan the upper corner shows no white cardboard stock.

[bbcardzman]

Originally Posted by buymycards

I don't think he is photoshopping his cards. I think he is using stock photos from ebay. When you list on ebay, ebay always asks if you want to use stock photos from current listings. I pretended that I was going to sell a 1933 Goudey #81 and I used the stock photo. The photo that came up was the exact card that he is selling. This way, he doesn't have to scan any of his cards. That is why his scans are small and they can't be zoomed. That is also why he doesn't show back scans.

I bought a 33 Goudey from him that looked like a nice card in the listing, but when I received the card, the top third of the card was completely missing. When I contacted him about it, he insisted that I had received the card that was shown in the listing.

Rick

He is definitely photo-shopping cards. Somehow he uses a blue screen and takes out the worst parts of the cards, especially all creases. Here's a link that shows a card I bought from him. Can't see the two creases and there is way more chipping on the edges than the pic in the listing.

http://t205photos.webs.com/

[danmckee]

Scumbag is stating it mildly!

Yes I am one of the lucky blocked bidders as well.

Ebay should remove this CROOK!

[gs1968]

Have bought from this seller many times most cards are 2 grades below description and bid accordingly. Just bought t206 hummel listed as nearmint got card full 1/16 inch short top to bottom returned item 4 days after sellers receipt of card still no refund but card relisted as you guessed it...near mint.no more for me I am done too many sellers out there.

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by gs1968

Have bought from this seller many times most cards are 2 grades below description and bid accordingly. Just bought t206 hummel listed as nearmint got card full 1/16 inch short top to bottom returned item 4 days after sellers receipt of card still no refund but card relisted as you guessed it...near mint.no more for me I am done too many sellers out there.

They have been doing this for years. They prey on people hoping they hit a 'raw' card gold mine with their awesome looking vintage, ungraded cards. I believe they crack out mid grade cards that look nice for the grade for some of their wares. I also believe they crack out SGC "A" cards that look fantastic and sell them as raw, unaltered cards. They seem to have no shortage of buyers, and they are sitting on an Ebay gold mine, ethics be damned.

[pokerplyr80]

Originally Posted by bobbyw8469

They have been doing this for years. They prey on people hoping they hit a 'raw' card gold mine with their awesome looking vintage, ungraded cards. I believe they crack out mid grade cards that look nice for the grade for some of their wares. I also believe they crack out SGC "A" cards that look fantastic and sell them as raw, unaltered cards. They seem to have no shortage of buyers, and they are sitting on an Ebay gold mine, ethics be damned.

That pretty much sums it up. They don't ask any questions about returns since they know the cards are altered. The one card I purchased was relisted before I had even gotten it back from PSA. With the same description of NM card, guaranteed authentic and unaltered.

I'm no lawyer, but shouldn't it be a crime to sell a $1,000 + card you know is altered yet insist it not? Or any card for that matter?

[Zact]

Bump

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

That pretty much sums it up. They don't ask any questions about returns since they know the cards are altered. The one card I purchased was relisted before I had even gotten it back from PSA. With the same description of NM card, guaranteed authentic and unaltered.

I'm no lawyer, but shouldn't it be a crime to sell a $1,000 + card you know is altered yet insist it not? Or any card for that matter?

Just imagine if there were no grading companies how many times a card would be returned on a high dollar card on a dispute on the term 'near mint'

[ezez420]

Contact Arnold Diaz. He may help. That would be great.
Pix11.com/investigates


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[Leon]

at least the count is down to only 167 possibly fraudulent listings. It's gettnig better.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/battlefield0...562&rmvSB=true

Originally Posted by ezez420

Contact Arnold Diaz. He may help. That would be great.
Pix11.com/investigates


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[kevinlenane]

She is quite bold but of course Ebay doesnt want to ditch a high volume high revenue seller customer. Here's a fun way to plunge the depths of her audacity. 1. View all negative feedback, 2. sort view to show "200" 3. copy a high value card title like "HANK AARON 1954 TOPPS #128 - RC" 4. hit control F to use the find function and paste the title in 5. See how many times she has sold the same card to try to find a sucker who won't immediately grade it in the return window.

Kind of amazing actually. The highest value cards tend to pop up 4-6 times in the space a year in the negative results. Volume is how the best scamsters hide all their fraud.

[robw1959]

Does anyone know the origin of the raw T206 Cobb (bat on) that battlefield is currently listing? Thanks.

[ullmandds]

the only way you get what you see...is if the cards graded.

[Sean]

Cobb Bat Off sold for $2,000;
Cobb Bat On sold for $2,500;
Cobb Green went for $3000.

I can't wait to read the feedback from the buyers.

[iowadoc77]

Once again thankful for this board. It is easy to get excited about a listing but always important to remember the too good to be true line and also to take a second look at the seller. I really can't believe they have that high of feedback. What a joke.
Thanks to everyone for outing these sellers that try to make this hobby a scam.

[vintagebb2014]

I purchased a card about 2 years ago from Battlefield. Of course it was listed as Phenomenal, Near Mint, etc... and it looked amazing in the scan. Once I received the card, I was disappointed as it did not appear as advertised, "Near Mint". It may have graded out as a "5" at best, IMO. They allowed me to return the card and refunded my funds with no problem. I am assuming that as a result of me returning a card, I am blocked from bidding in any of the auctions. I'm not sure if this is their policy or not but this was my experience. I consider this a blessing.

[motorcitybaseball]

I purchased two t206 cards as nm+-mt

I sent both into psa and both came back as trimmed.
She never responded to my messages and took almost 2 months for Ebay to refund me. I was never refunded the money to have them graded. A couple weeks later she re listed the same 2 cards I bought again as nm+-mt and sold them to the next guy

[Leon]

Originally Posted by motorcitybaseball

I purchased two t206 cards as nm+-mt

I sent both into psa and both came back as trimmed.
She never responded to my messages and took almost 2 months for Ebay to refund me. I was never refunded the money to have them graded. A couple weeks later she re listed the same 2 cards I bought again as nm+-mt and sold them to the next guy

Please read the bold letters at the top of each page that says if you give an opinion your full name needs to be in your post. After this one please make sure you adhere to it (as everyone should). Since it's just battlefield we can turn a blind eye on this one . They deserve to be piled on.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by Leon

Please read the bold letters at the top of each page that says if you give an opinion your full name needs to be in your post. After this one please make sure you adhere to it (as everyone should). Since it's just battlefield we can turn a blind eye on this one . They deserve to be piled on.

One could argue he offered no opinions.

[PhillipAbbott79]

Yes. It appears more of a historical account of what happened to him than an opinion.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Yes. It appears more of a historical account of what happened to him than an opinion.

He is making accusations. I won't get into semantecs and if I need to I just go to our rules page and pull this puppy off of there, which has been posted for years...

**Since there are an unlimited amount of unforeseeable issues that can arise on the board, the moderator may make any decision he feels is in the best interest of Net54baseball, regardless of any written or oral rules.

and I should mention that my litmus test for the name rule is if something being said was about me would I want to know who said it? I have a low threshold of wanting to know too. Same rules for everyone in this respect. All board members, and others, should get to know who is saying something about them when it is said on this chat board, imo.
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[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by PhillipAbbott79

Yes. It appears more of a historical account of what happened to him than an opinion.

So what does this all mean pertaining Probstein (AKA Mr. Big)? It seems like we have been singing this song for quite a while, but I would love to hear a fresh perspective...How has he wiped out 100's of negative feed backs and got away with it?

[granite75]

Any chance this Ruth Goudey isn't photoshopped? I saw the picture and I immediately knew who the seller was.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391730436289

Also love that the 1939 Play Ball Ted Williams has 'beautiful color'.

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[Sean]

That yellow is so bright that it hurts my eyes.

[1952boyntoncollector]

I think she lets you return the card though after 3 years which will please at least one member on this board

[Edwolf1963]

Originally Posted by granite75

Any chance this Ruth Goudey isn't photoshopped? I saw the picture and I immediately knew who the seller was.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/391730436289

That card appears to be the same here that PWCC sold back on 7FEB, PSA Altered. Expand the picture and look closely at the exact same slight diamond cut and print markings especially at the bottom between the L and E in LEAGUE. As well as the speckling around the G

PWCC link..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...4AAOSw44BYjP5n

Then Battlefield0516's "BREATHTAKING" cracked out example first on 27FEB, then again (same card) on 21MAR. Same cut, markings, enhanced/brightened and described as "near mint". Can't prove for sure, but this fits her typical historical pattern of buying low grade and altered cards, cracking, enhancing and reselling as something much nicer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-19...0AAOSw4CFYroJB

[SMPEP]

Honestly, why should she care if Ebay finally kicks her off?

Okay, you loose the forward income stream. Yeah that sucks.

But how much has she pocketed in the meantime that she never has to give back? And no jail time like some of the others.

It's a complete win for her.

Cheers,
Patrick

[bobbyw8469]

Originally Posted by SMPEP

Honestly, why should she care if Ebay finally kicks her off?

Okay, you loose the forward income stream. Yeah that sucks.

But how much has she pocketed in the meantime that she never has to give back? And no jail time like some of the others.

It's a complete win for her.

Cheers,
Patrick

+1 - she has already won her lottery. Everything else is just gravy.

[Sean]

Maybe we should take a poll on when this Cobb will reappear on ebay. More or less than three weeks?

[Yoda]

Originally Posted by Edwolf1963

That card appears to be the same here that PWCC sold back on 7FEB, PSA Altered. Expand the picture and look closely at the exact same slight diamond cut and print markings especially at the bottom between the L and E in LEAGUE. As well as the speckling around the G

PWCC link..

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey-...4AAOSw44BYjP5n

Then Battlefield0516's "BREATHTAKING" cracked out example first on 27FEB, then again (same card) on 21MAR. Same cut, markings, enhanced/brightened and described as "near mint". Can't prove for sure, but this fits her typical historical pattern of buying low grade and altered cards, cracking, enhancing and reselling as something much nicer.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BABE-RUTH-19...0AAOSw4CFYroJB

Please note that the winning bidder has exactly 50 feedbacks and the runner up a measly 27. I see some pain in the future forecast.

[TheNightmanCometh]

If she gets booted off, what's stopping her from creating a new account and starting over?

[granite75]

Those photoshops are unmistakable

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[VintageBen]

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[VintageBen]

And if I wasn't made aware of this forum by Orly57, I can't say that I wouldn't have bought from Battlefield. Nothing gets past our net54 community members.

[Leon]

Here is some feedback from my contact at ebay...

From: leon luckey [mailto:leonl@flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:42 AM
To: ebay.com>
Subject: RE: Action Required to Activate Membership for Net54baseball.com Forums

Hi D
I guess I am still having a hard time understanding why ebay has a problem kicking off someone committing fraud right in front of your face. Even if they sell thousands of good items they are still committing fraud. Do me a favor, look at a recent post in that thread and tell me what you think. It is post #236. They won the 3k Ruth card last month, cracked it out of the case saying it was altered and sold it as unaltered. How can that be difficult to see? Ray Charles could see it...Someone needs to tell them to quit. Isn’t that you?


Hello,

Just letting you know this is a lower priority project so looking at this in between other asks. The problem that I am seeing is losses generally aren’t being calculated by eBay due to the returns and fact buyers are not filing SNAD claims. If more people did that even if they planned to return it (especially for the high dollar items) it will get on more radars meaning the seller would be reviewed for potential not as described concerns. What I am now doing is scoping this to get a currently unquantified (and largely unquantifiable) view of the matter. A post like #236 is definitely concerning but I can see how the analytic backend does not see it looking for threshold exceptions to generate the work fraud teammates action.

Just so we are clear as actions will happen in some regard, telling you right now you as an external user will not know the extent unless the seller comes onto the board to discuss it. Longer term, I am working with management to kick around the idea of enhanced member reporting for niche products (sports cards, comic books, etc). That means being flagged as a trusted reporter (experts in an industry that can speak to clear potential violations within said industry) with a better consistency of concerns being addressed for instances like #236 that machines can’t effectively notice. It will help for instances like this but will require buy in from other teams so can’t make any promises.

I see a seller which we agree is a problem, but I also see the larger concern that I’m trying to solve for using this as a potential business case if the losses can be appropriately measured.

D

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Originally Posted by VintageBen

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[pow323]

Sounds like a political answer to me!! LOL!

[sterlingfox]

The key here seems to be the flood of legitimate items, which is enough to overcome the "threshold exceptions" level that ebay's built-in algorithm looks for.

Even if every single person who was defrauded made a SNAD complaint, it probably still wouldn't be enough to reach the necessary threshold level to get them reviewed and booted.

Well played, battlefield. Well played.