battlefield0516 t206 on ebay

[VintageBen]

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[VintageBen]

And if I wasn't made aware of this forum by Orly57, I can't say that I wouldn't have bought from Battlefield. Nothing gets past our net54 community members.

[Leon]

Here is some feedback from my contact at ebay...

From: leon luckey [mailto:leonl@flash.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:42 AM
To: ebay.com>
Subject: RE: Action Required to Activate Membership for Net54baseball.com Forums

Hi D
I guess I am still having a hard time understanding why ebay has a problem kicking off someone committing fraud right in front of your face. Even if they sell thousands of good items they are still committing fraud. Do me a favor, look at a recent post in that thread and tell me what you think. It is post #236. They won the 3k Ruth card last month, cracked it out of the case saying it was altered and sold it as unaltered. How can that be difficult to see? Ray Charles could see it...Someone needs to tell them to quit. Isn’t that you?


Hello,

Just letting you know this is a lower priority project so looking at this in between other asks. The problem that I am seeing is losses generally aren’t being calculated by eBay due to the returns and fact buyers are not filing SNAD claims. If more people did that even if they planned to return it (especially for the high dollar items) it will get on more radars meaning the seller would be reviewed for potential not as described concerns. What I am now doing is scoping this to get a currently unquantified (and largely unquantifiable) view of the matter. A post like #236 is definitely concerning but I can see how the analytic backend does not see it looking for threshold exceptions to generate the work fraud teammates action.

Just so we are clear as actions will happen in some regard, telling you right now you as an external user will not know the extent unless the seller comes onto the board to discuss it. Longer term, I am working with management to kick around the idea of enhanced member reporting for niche products (sports cards, comic books, etc). That means being flagged as a trusted reporter (experts in an industry that can speak to clear potential violations within said industry) with a better consistency of concerns being addressed for instances like #236 that machines can’t effectively notice. It will help for instances like this but will require buy in from other teams so can’t make any promises.

I see a seller which we agree is a problem, but I also see the larger concern that I’m trying to solve for using this as a potential business case if the losses can be appropriately measured.

D

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Originally Posted by VintageBen

These classic vintage cards will still sell for big money if she was honest. I really hope she gets caught. I feel really bad for the people buying these raw cards for $$$$. But if you are dropping that much money on a card, I would advise one to make sure it was authenticated by either PSA, SGC, or Beckett. Maybe we should all protest outside of her work/home/gated community in Alabama. I'm due for a vacation.



--Ben Jordan

[pow323]

Sounds like a political answer to me!! LOL!

[sterlingfox]

The key here seems to be the flood of legitimate items, which is enough to overcome the "threshold exceptions" level that ebay's built-in algorithm looks for.

Even if every single person who was defrauded made a SNAD complaint, it probably still wouldn't be enough to reach the necessary threshold level to get them reviewed and booted.

Well played, battlefield. Well played.

[Stampsfan]

This is obviously someone who understands (eBay's) computer models and metrics around the threshold and ratios of good sales to bad. This is either done with inside info, or lots of trial and error.

Even if the metrics can be derived through trial and error, eBay can change them at any time. Yes she is always on top of it, it appears. Does she have insider help? This is a fairly lucrative game she has going.

Just sayin'...

[Leon]

Ok, we might be getting somewhere guys. Yes, this seller might know thresholds but they are doing the wrong thing. I think some interest has been peaked. Here is an email I just now received from my contact. For the record I have offered to be of any help I can...I should add it should be kept in mind this program being mentioned below is not a done deal but is being worked on. We can only try as much as we can....

Hi Leon,

Just to let you know movement has happened with the seller and if you can watch with that thread or otherwise, definitely let me know if any other listings come up so we can remove them before the items end.

For the second longer term piece, would you or do you know someone that you would personally trust on the net54 forum that we can setup as an expert reporter? Long story short, bit of vetting to ensure they are “experts in the industry” but referrals are given priority to a team specializing with misleading auctions so have to be 100% accurate referrals every time. The qualifications to begin is to have an active eBay account, not a seller in the categories you are reporting for, and no past policy violations. This will solve the pain points that your board has been seeing with this seller in the past and others that have likely come and gone.

If you are interested or know someone who would be let me know and I can forward there information to one of the policy managers for collectibles and we can see if it would be feasible to setup.

Originally Posted by Stampsfan

This is obviously someone who understands (eBay's) computer models and metrics around the threshold and ratios of good sales to bad. This is either done with inside info, or lots of trial and error.

Even if the metrics can be derived through trial and error, eBay can change them at any time. Yes she is always on top of it, it appears. Does she have insider help? This is a fairly lucrative game she has going.

Just sayin'...

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

problem is the "Not a seller in the categories you are reporting for" clause.

EDIT: Still awesome that something may actually come of this!