Has Anyone Seen This Anti PSA Website?

[Lorewalker]

https://psasux.com/ Someone quite passionate about their disdain for PSA. Cannot say I blame them...

[perezfan]

It wasn't me, but I sure wish it was.

Well-articulated parody!

[4815162342]

I know it’s a joke, but they’re selling fakes in a fake holder using PSA’s logo. This probably won’t end well.

[refz]

Ha! Made me laugh. Besides modern, I do believe you need to know someone to get a 10!! I have had 8s and 9s but never a 10 for anything pre 1975.

[toledo_mudhen]

Website is really well done - touche

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Website is really well done - touche

It is amazingly well done. I like the Grade Your Card page.

[Apple_Robert]

Funny. However, it looks like a lawsuit in the making.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I know it’s a joke, but they’re selling fakes in a fake holder using PSA’s logo. This probably won’t end well.

Originally Posted by Apple_Robert

Funny. However, it looks like a lawsuit in the making.

Parody/satire is specifically allowed under the law.

He may though need to stop using the PSA logo to avoid trademark infringement. I'd recommend a cosmetic change to FSA with the 'F' for Fake.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

Someone quite passionate about their disdain for PSA. Cannot say I blame them...

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

Folks grade cards because they either intend to sell them, or potentially they or someone will sell them going forward. There is no other reason...it increases value and gives them peace of mind. Thus, like them or not, PSA isn't going away.

[Fred]

It's kind of funny. You have to figure PSA will probably tell them to remove the PSA logo if they find out about the website.

[luciobar1980]

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

Parody/satire is specifically allowed under the law.



He may though need to stop using the PSA logo to avoid trademark infringement. I'd recommend a cosmetic change to FSA with the 'F' for Fake.

Even the PSA logo is a parody. Notice it actually says "Sux" in the S.

This whole parody probably passes muster.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Thus, like them or not, PSA isn't going away.

I know it's not going away. But I reserve the right to sneer at their various foibles and it would be nice to do at least something to be a thorn in the company's side.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

What gets to me though is that most of us collectors love to sneer at PSA for the company's various foibles, but people (perhaps the very same vocal critics) keep submitting their cards to PSA. As a result more and more neat cards are encased in plastic coffins.

Methinks boycotting PSA and its products would be more effective than mere criticism.

Would take a lot of boycotting of PSA to have any effect the likelihood of that taking place is not even measurable.

I could see where people who need them for selling their cards, and there is no denying a seller needs PSA to be the most fiscally responsible, would be frustrated by the entire experience.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Balticfox

I know it's not going away. But I reserve the right to sneer at their various foibles and it would be nice to do at least something to be a thorn in the company's side.

Sneer away if you find it cathartic!

[BobbyStrawberry]

I like the upside down Wembanyama.

[robw1959]

The stuff on that site is hilarious! For example . . .

Disclaimer: By submitting your card, you acknowledge that our grading is completely arbitrary and may be influenced by factors such as our mood, the weather, or how much coffee we've had. Higher grades cost more because we said so. All sales are final, and complaints will be graded on a scale of 1-10 for how much we care (spoiler: we don't).

[Lorewalker]

Grader notes on the certs are great! https://psasux.com/cert-details?cert=569816

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by luciobar1980

PSA does suck and I don't understand why people still submit to them and perpetuate the nonsense. The registry is nonsense. Their fees are nonsense. People paying more for any given card in any given grade over an SGC card is nonsense. Their moving target "standards" are nonsense.

That all being said, whoever created that website had a lot of time on their hands. haha

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

Until we have a viable competitor whose slabs can command similar prices in the market, I think we are stuck with the perfectly imperfect uni-TPG that we have.

Edited to add: In some ways, it reminds me a bit of my own world as an auditor. Back in the early 2000s, there were some high profile corporate accounting scandals (Worldcom, Enron, etc). At the time, the response from one of the politicians (forget who, doesn’t really matter) was to suggest that they should just let public companies skip the audit process. Obviously that was a brilliant idea, because if auditors are imperfect, then going commando should really encourage better corporate behavior when it comes to honest accounting.

Fast forward to today, and the PCAOB published its annual report on audit quality and audit deficiencies. Most of the Big-4 firms had rather dismal failure rates, like 50%, sometimes more. And if memory serves, this last year #5 or #6 had a deficiency rate of like 86%.

And yet…given that there are no other real options and no emerging competitors, the entrenched players continue to do their thing, don’t necessarily do it very well, and continue to get hired do it, simply because there’s no viable alternative.

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Right...

The Registry is such a joke at this point. Those thousands of cards graded "7" in past years would be lucky to grade "5" today. Same thing with "6s" being "4s" if graded today. They've rendered the numbers on the flips meaningless, but the sheeple can't control themselves so the lunacy continues.

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

[oldjudge]

I think that was hilarious!

[jingram058]

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

It is called capitalism, I think. You are certainly entitled to your opinion and I agree with most of it and thank you for not charging us for it and making us wait 3 months to hear it!

[calvindog]

James, does it really puzzle you why people buy graded cards? Do you think it possible that some people want their “hard-earned cash” to become more as opposed to less when they sell their cards?

I rarely buy cards for investment purposes. But even the many that I buy for my collection, I tend to want them to be worth more, not less, when my kids sell them someday. Mainly because I care about my kids.

[sbfinley]

Ooooh spicy..., the "is grading cards good/bad" discussion is something I've never seen on a sports card forum. This should certainly be intriguing.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by raulus

Sneer away if you find it cathartic!

It's not just cathartic. It's my most viable alternative.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jingram058

I will take this occasion to end this thread, or otherwise be ignored, as I so often do and am with threads such as this when I say things people just don't want to hear.

I have a great many cards, none of them graded. 1933 Goudey Ruth and Gehrig, Foxx, 1939 and 41 DiMaggio, Williams, and later Mantles and on and on... None of them graded. I have cracked out every graded card I have ever had.

I like to hold my cards, I like to look at my cards in my own hands, and then learn about the players. It's a hobby.

Selling cards, worrying over the slightest blemish or imperfection, or worrying about their value is no hobby, that's a business, in my opinion. If that's your thing, so be it.

I also don't worry about some estate legacy. Yes, many of my cards are valuable. Some are kept in a local safe deposit box, and all my valuable cards, and other stuff too, is insured. But my wife and daughter aren't looking at baseball cards to somehow sustain them when I croak. They are well set up in other ways. I'm not rich, but I sure as heck ain't poor either.

I can't envision any circumstances whereby I would need to sell cards. I don't acquire them for that purpose. Thus, if someone wants the 1933 Goudey Ruth #144 when I'm gone, they will pay what any other like card goes for, graded or otherwise, or they will walk. End of discussion. It won't be a sale based on some other person's or institution's perceived value or condition of the card.

Your mileage may vary. So be it. I love the hobby, and I love this forum. What I don't understand is why so many people like to shell out their hard-earned cash for the privilege of obtaining someone else's opinion of their cards.

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by calvindog

But even the many that I buy for my collection, I tend to want them to be worth more, not less, when my kids sell them someday. Mainly because I care about my kids.

Yeah, I guess you're entitled to care about your kids. We all have our personal foibles.

[jingram058]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

So you don't like your cards encased, you like to hold them, and you don't care about the value, but you put them in safety deposit boxes. Color me confused....

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

Actually, the main point or hypocritical part is, why you encase them in a place you don't even live at when you don't like them encased in the first place, and break them from a slab. I'd rather have them in a slab at home then a bank box. They're both encased after all.

You say they're valuable, but you actually devalue them, and, it's someone else's problem. No, that's someone else's good fortune, and your problem.

People looking for an investment, and paying top dollar will pay more for TPG. Sorry that's just reality in today's world. Right or wrong that's the way it is.

Honest question, when was the last time a raw card sold for more then one graded that had the same grade.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by sbfinley

ooooh spicy..., the "is grading cards good/bad" discussion is something i've never seen on a sports card forum. This should certainly be intriguing.

lol.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

As long as you and your heirs are somewhat aware of the reality that "your" value may not rule the day when it finally comes time for the cards to go to someone else.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by jingram058

...PSA isn't going away.

I guess PSA has joined the ranks of death and taxes. We can struggle valiantly against those evils but they ultimately exert their depredations on even the noblest of us all.

[OhioLawyerF5]

My cards are worth $10,000,000. I don't care what the market says they're worth.

Let's all declare what we value our cards at.

:coffee:

[Lorewalker]

Originally Posted by jingram058

Don't be. I consider my raw cards as valuable as your graded ones. If someone else doesn't see it that way, that's their problem.

When it comes to selling, unless the landscape changes dramatically, a graded card in EX is always going to sell for more than it would ungraded if described as EX. This is when that becomes a you problem.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My cards are worth $10,000,000. I don't care what the market says they're worth.

Let's all declare what we value our cards at.

:coffee:

I have an idea that my wife might find a glaring difference between the "retail" value of my cards vs. what someone might give us for them all at once in fire sale mode, LOL.

[Republicaninmass]

I'd be ashamed if not only were my cards worthless when I croak, but having a plethora of cards left to my family to deal with, with no exit plan, would pain me in the grave.

[tycobb]

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[Apple_Robert]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

I have an idea that my wife might find a glaring difference between the "retail" value of my cards vs. what someone might give us for them all at once in fire sale mode, LOL.

As long as you don't trade in your wife for a newer, shiny TPG, you shouldn't have to worry.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I couldn't disagree more. People have been saying this exact same thing for easily 15 years now. If it was true we would have tens of thousands of PSA 8s that would grade 3s today not just tens.

LOL, you have to be kidding.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

I know it’s a joke, but they’re selling fakes in a fake holder using PSA’s logo. This probably won’t end well.

Logo is similar but not the same. The creator added letters to match the website name. Still the logo is very similar

[toledo_mudhen]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My cards are worth $10,000,000. I don't care what the market says they're worth.

Let's all declare what we value our cards at.

:coffee:

I have 2 graded cards that are worth $1500 each and the rest of my card collection is worth $1.79

So I got that goin for me.............

[Exhibitman]

Very funny satire.

Why people grade? MONEY! I just 'wasted' three figures on SGC slabbing a bunch of vintage cards because I plan to sell the cards and they sell for more MONEY in slabs. Way more MONEY. Like, you know, MONEY. That thing you need in the USA to get food, shelter, medical care, pizza*, cocaine* and sex workers*. This is the land of the fee; slabbed cards or organs, you decide which to sell (hint: one doesn't require you to put on pants and leave the keyboard). Either way you need to get PAID.



MONEY, honey. Greed is good.




*Options not available in all models. Your actual mileage may vary. Offer void in the EU or anywhere there is a social safety net.

[campyfan39]

"Regular Turnaround: Hope you are immortal"
hahahaha!

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Lorewalker

This is when that becomes a you problem.

Actually it's already been a problem for years. The supply and thus availability of unslabbed cards has been reduced. But those are the ones I collect. And, yes, of course I have an objection to paying up for a slabbed card which I must then find a way to release from imprisonment without damaging the card.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

My cards are worth $10,000,000. I don't care what the market says they're worth.

Let's all declare what we value our cards at.

:coffee:

My cards have a wide variety of values.
Some are pretty much permanently NFS, but yeah, I would consider life changing money for them. Luckily for me, none of the ones I care that much about are "worth" that sort of price so I'll never have to make that decision.

Many of the rest...... you mentioned coffee?