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Old 10-23-2022, 05:40 PM
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Default Marshall fogel the greatest collection in the world

Not even close ,,your thoughts.
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Sportscard investor terrific video on you tube ,you will faint omg
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Depends if you are focusing on high grade or rarity. Perhaps to high grade, not even close to being tops in terms of breadth and rarity.
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The best is part when he throws them all over the table...
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Depends if you are focusing on high grade or rarity. Perhaps to high grade, not even close to being tops in terms of breadth and rarity.
I'm fantasizing on what a top breadth and rarity collection would look like, so many cards with less than ten examples, would be truly impressive.
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The best is part when he throws them all over the table...
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"You can spend less money, and have just as much fun." Really appreciate this statement/point of view from Mr. Fogel.
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What fun. I've had the pleasure of hanging out with Marshall a few times, and he's terrific, such enthusiasm for all things baseball. Nice guy, too. When he outbid me for the WaJo Horner cabinet at the Christies's auction in '96, he came over and apologized!
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That was absolutely unreal. And his demeanor is so warm and friendly. Thanks for posting, would love to see a longer cut.
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Tom Zappala says Ken Kendrick has the best collection in the world. Sometimes you just got say that both collections are incredible. beer chug.gif

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That's gotta be a $100MM collection!
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The best is part when he throws them all over the table...

That was insane. I love how he's so nonchalant about it. Most people with stuff that valuable are "hands off".
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I have to admit, that was impressive to see just a little of his collection. I didn't now he had as much memorabilia as he does. I think I'm still more impressed by Barry Halper's collection though. Just because of how he acquired his items a lot of times from the players personally and not just with super deep pockets. But I am impressed with this collection. No doubt.



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There are one or two members here whose collection I would be more interested in seeing. Not taking anything away from his collection but condition rarity doesn’t do it for me like absolute rarity does.

There is no wrong way to collect and this is truly an amazing collection.
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There is no wrong way to collect and this is truly an amazing collection.
I guess the concern is passe, but I do wonder if some of those 8s and 9s had some help.
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I guess the concern is passe, but I do wonder if some of those 8s and 9s had some help.
That '55 Bowman mantle 10 looks like it would grade a 7 today.
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Here’s an interview he gave:

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Excerpt: “I have the largest Hall of Famer game used bat collection, bigger than the Hall of Fame’s. It includes a game-used Honus Wagner during his playing career from the great Louisville Slugger find that was “side-written” when shipped back to the Louisville Slugger factory for another. Then I have a Lou Gehrig bat: “To Jerry May you take better advantage than I did.” He wrote that while he was dying. And, yes, I have a Babe Ruth bat. The markings are from 1925 to 1931, so he may have used it to hit his 60th home run in 1927. In the first big book on bats, 90 percent of those featured were mine.”


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That '55 Bowman mantle 10 looks like it would grade a 7 today.
I am guessing most of his cards were graded quite a long time ago when standards were more lenient. I would be less concerned about that than if some were not entirely natural. Hopefully that is not the case. But reality being what it is, it would not surprise me. Either way quite a remarkable achievement.
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I think the greatest collection in the world is probably Burdick's in storage at the MET or maybe the Fritsch family stuff. Maybe also the OJ authors.
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You just have to respect the eccentric understatement of a guy wearing a stretched out Amazon basics sweatshirt that looks like he traded a homeless guy a tuna sandwich for, still having fun with a 100m+ collection after all these years. It's hard not to like.
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To make Jeff speechless is an accomplishment! That was a fun video to watch and just an amazing collection and attitude to have.

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Wow and Wow and Wow

Looks like a Great collection and I wish We all could see it all but what was shown is amazing.

I would love to see all his pre-war cards but what is shown is amazing and the conditions are amazing

Funny when he says he would no 7's in his collection

and funny how he just spreads them out with no care

I was trying to go screen by screen forward to see everything

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The LOC also has an impressive collection. The online version is had to use, but they have a good collection.
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The LOC also has an impressive collection. The online version is had to use, but they have a good collection.
I totally forgot about the LOC collection. And I do think they could/should do a better job of sharing it online.




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I am guessing most of his cards were graded quite a long time ago when standards were more lenient. I would be less concerned about that than if some were not entirely natural. Hopefully that is not the case. But reality being what it is, it would not surprise me. Either way quite a remarkable achievement.
Yes, the majority of these have been altered, and most were graded back when today's NM cards were given 10s & 9s. But it's still an epic collection that I'd be ecstatic to own. I just choose to ignore the fact that 80% of the value in his collection comes from the holders rather than the cards and focus on how cool the cards themselves still are.
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I'm also in the camp of being more interested in rare cards in any condition than popular cards in great condition, but I'm happy to see how much joy he gets from the hobby.
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Halper’s collection was more remarkable than Fogel’s IMHO.

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Nice to see the enjoyment for the cards and spreading them out like commons.

For those who are both absurdly wealthy and enjoy handling their cards like this, the practical security needs must be an annoyance. I’d be scared to have a tenth of that sitting around.
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I wonder what the insured value of this collection is... $100 million?
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Here is a video of the D’Backs collection (Ken Kendrick) I took at The National. Similar to Marshall Fogals collection.

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The most incredible card collection I have ever seen. WOW!!
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Yes, impressive collection
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Marshall looks like he's having fun. What more can you ask?
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Great video and absolutely amazing collection.
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It's nice to see he's a passionate collector!

I'd certainly like to see another episode featuring his Carl Horner Cabinets!

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Just watched the video. I noticed that many of his cards appeared to have the MBA Sticker on the front of the slabs. I was curious as to what are the opinions of some of you regarding that?

I look at that and just think about PWCC's High End/Top % designation. And have no interest in any card with that sticker.

Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated.

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Just watched the video. I noticed that many of his cards appeared to have the MBA Sticker on the front of the slabs. I was curious as to what are the opinions of some of you regarding that?

I look at that and just think about PWCC's High End/Top % designation. And have no interest in any card with that sticker.

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I don't care about the stickers personally. I wouldn't pay a premium for a card that has one. But if it was priced fairly and I wanted it I would buy it but not for the sticker. Just because I want it.



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There are one or two members here whose collection I would be more interested in seeing. Not taking anything away from his collection but condition rarity doesn’t do it for me like absolute rarity does.
+1 to what Rhett said, except that there at least a dozen Ner54 members whose collections I would be more interested in seeing.
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I could not believe how cavalierly he treated those cards. It seemed to me he was disrespecting them (not to mention scratching the slabs). I did not understand it at all.
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I could not believe how cavalierly he treated those cards. It seemed to me he was disrespecting them (not to mention scratching the slabs). I did not understand it at all.
I had the same reaction. Why would you unnecessarily scratch the slabs like that?

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I didn't see it quite way though I see how it could be interpreted like that.
I saw it like he was having fun showing the hobby and/or public his passion. I am guessing he has connections to get something re-holdered if he wants to. If it's about having fun, as we all say it should, then he was living it in that video. My 1st national (I think), maybe 2nd, it was around '99 or 2000, I had dinner with him, Scott B, Doug Allen and one other person, whom I don't remember. That was an interesting night.
For me, personally, I collect rarity but that doesn't diminish his collection an iota. It's a historic and great collection, he has. All things considered, that '52 Mantle, is possibly the nicest baseball card in existence. And this coming from someone who, if value was no consideration, would rather have lot's of other cards. Great stuff!

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I could not believe how cavalierly he treated those cards. It seemed to me he was disrespecting them (not to mention scratching the slabs). I did not understand it at all.
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Old 10-26-2022, 02:24 PM
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I didn't see it quite way though I see how it could be interpreted like that.
I saw it like he was having fun showing the hobby and/or public his passion. I am guessing he has connections to get something re-holdered if he wants to. If it's about having fun, as we all say it should, then he was living it in that video. My 1st national (I think), maybe 2nd, it was around '99 or 2000, I had dinner with him, Scott B, Doug Allen and one other person, whom I don't remember. That was an interesting night.
For me, personally, I collect rarity but that doesn't diminish his collection an iota. It's a historic and great collection, he has. All things considered, that '52 Mantle, is possibly the nicest baseball card in existence. And this coming from someone who, if value was no consideration, would rather have lot's of other cards. Great stuff!
Thank you leon agree 100 pct ,fun fun
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The best thing about Marshall's collection is that he's a lovely guy.

Years ago when I was a big '38 Goudey collector I reached out to him to see if he had any dupes. We had an outstanding exchange of emails, he is a really knowledgeable guy and happy to share his knowledge, which is not something everyone does.

We've had a number of very pleasant conversations over the years, and I'm always left thinking he's just a great guy.

I found myself looking at the stuff on the walls in the video, which seems just as cool as the cards.

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