Photo ID help requested for Henry Chadwick Image

[benjulmag]

This image came directly from the Chadwick family. Henry Chadwick is seated in the back row, second from left. That is all I know about the image. Inasmuch as the family saved it, and it appears to denote a significant occasion, I've always wondered who the other people might be. I surmise it was taken around 1904, perhaps on the occasion of Chadwick's 80th birthday.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[bgar3]

Corey,
I love the group image. I am away from some of my research books right now, but I would check the images of other sports writers in Athletic Sports and Spink’s National Game, first. I think it very likely they are sportswriters as it looks like it could be a field with the fence in the background, they seen to have programs of some sort of writing material, and a carriage would make sense for a special event of some sort. I can’t read the writing at the bottom, can you make it out? Also, I have seen reference to the fact that the Brooklyn photographer, Pearsall, was a friend and took Chadwick’s portrait every year on his birthday. Pearsall May be in the photo, or may have taken it.
Right now I can’t think of any other books that have lots of images of other sportswriters, but I will check when I can.

[oldjudge]

Corey-If you look look to the right at the background doesn’t it look like they are in a stadium? Could the driver be Mills and the image be related to the Mills Commission?

[bgar3]

Jay, agree they look like it is a stadium or ball field, but would expect to see George Wright and Reach, if it was the Mills commission, and I do not see them.
I will get a Chance next week to check out the sportswriter idea.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by bgar3

Corey,
I love the group image. I am away from some of my research books right now, but I would check the images of other sports writers in Athletic Sports and Spink’s National Game, first. I think it very likely they are sportswriters as it looks like it could be a field with the fence in the background, they seen to have programs of some sort of writing material, and a carriage would make sense for a special event of some sort. I can’t read the writing at the bottom, can you make it out? Also, I have seen reference to the fact that the Brooklyn photographer, Pearsall, was a friend and took Chadwick’s portrait every year on his birthday. Pearsall May be in the photo, or may have taken it.
Right now I can’t think of any other books that have lots of images of other sportswriters, but I will check when I can.

I agree deciphering the writing at the bottom would be very helpful. It reads,

"To Henry Chadwick, Compliments [NAME I CANNOT MAKE OUT]"

Here is a closeup of that name.

[GaryPassamonte]

Could be "Edward"?

[Dto7]

The building in back looks like the building at Washington Park in Brooklyn. He attended the 1908 Opening Day there.

[Dto7]

Looks like Harry Pulliam first person bottom left

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Dto7

Looks like Harry Pulliam first person bottom left

Very interesting! It does resemble Harry Pulliam. If this image is Opening Day 1908, that might explain why the family saved it, as that was the year Chadwick died. To go further, it is reported that Chadwick died shortly thereafter from pneumonia he contracted covering Opening Day. So if in fact that is the occasion for this image, this might be Chadwick's final (baseball) photo.

[bgar3]

If 1908, even more interesting. Will check for other sports writers this week.

[JollyElm]

I did what I could with the brightness and contrast in photoshop, in case this helps...

[tedzan]

Here is a colorful Cigar box label (circa 1905 - 1909) of Harry Pulliam in his "dapper duds".….. if that helps any.





TED Z

T206 Reference
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[insidethewrapper]

Could it be Charles Ebbetts standing in the bottom row (2nd from the right in white hat) ???

[benjulmag]

Brooklyn's opponent Opening Day 1908 was Boston, owed by George and John Dovey. Here are images of Charles Ebbetts, George Dovey and John Dovey.

[GaryPassamonte]

I looked at those three also, Corey. I don't think there's anything definitive. The two short guys in the front row sure look similar enough to be related.
The heavy guy top row left looks very familiar, too.

[bgar3]

Checked Athletic Sports and Spink sportswriter section without anything jumping out. Sorry.

[tedzan]

Corey

Edward J. McKeever and Stephen McKeever (half owners with Charles Ebbets of the Brooklyn Superbas….circa 1908) are pictured in this photo.
I believe Edward McKeever is the gentleman on the bottom right (2nd from end) and to his left is his brother Stephen.

TED Z

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[Dto7]

I think it could be Al Spalding first person top left

[GaryPassamonte]

Ted- Which ones are the Mckeevers?

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Corey

Edward J. McKeever and Stephen McKeever (half owners with Charles Ebbets of the Brooklyn Superbas….circa 1908) are pictured in this photo.
I believe Edward McKeever is the gentleman on the bottom right (2nd from end) and to his left is his brother Stephen.

TED Z

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Thanks Ted. If that is correct, I think it is a good bet the image is of Opening Day 1908 at Brooklyn. I think the Ebbets ID looks good, as does the Pulliam. It makes sense Chadwick would be there, as well offers a good explanation why the photo remained in the family's possession.

Thank you too everybody else who commented. I have had this image for some time, and had often wondered what it depicted. The people on this forum are incredibly knowledgeable and very generous in sharing their knowledge.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by benjulmag

Thanks Ted. If that is correct, I think it is a good bet the image is of Opening Day 1908 at Brooklyn. I think the Ebbets ID looks good, as does the Pulliam. It makes sense Chadwick would be there, as well offers a good explanation why the photo remained in the family's possession.

Thank you too everybody else who commented. I have had this image for some time, and had often wondered what it depicted. The people on this forum are incredibly knowledgeable and very generous in sharing their knowledge.

It is a team effort around here. Glad you got some answers, Corey.

[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by Leon

It is a team effort around here. Glad you got some answers, Corey.

Thanks Leon.

[triwak]

Just so I can show it off(!), here's my Frank Pearsall Cabinet of Chadwick.

[tedzan]

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- v a young Henry Chadwick



My Elysian Fields picture is a print of the original 1866 Currier & Ives Litho.
Printed by the Sidney Z. Lucas gallery in NYC (circa 1930's).


TED Z

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[benjulmag]

Originally Posted by tedzan

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- v a young Henry Chadwick



My Elysian Fields picture is a print of the original 1866 Currier & Ives Litho.
Printed by the Sidney Z. Lucas gallery in NYC (circa 1930's).


TED Z

T206 Reference
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Besides Henry Chadwick, that Currier & Ives image depicts James Creighton as the pitcher.