1909 Colgan’s Proofs back from SGC

[Vintagedeputy]

A few months ago, I posted about 4 1909 Colgan’s Chips square proof cards that I came across in a personal collection of someone not connected to the hobby.

These cards are fairly rare I feel as the major grading companies have all graded so few of these. I finally sent them off to SGC (along with an 1896 Spalding H-818) and they just came back today.

All in all, I’m happy with the grades. SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.

Anyway, presented here for your enjoyment…

[Belfast1933]

I am a total newbie to the Colgan Chip cards (and tins). I think are so cool and unique

And these proofs? Amazing! Congrats - really beautiful. Enjoy!

[jcmtiger]

Nice cards, congratulations.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Belfast1933

I am a total newbie to the Colgan Chip cards (and tins). I think are so cool and unique

And these proofs? Amazing! Congrats - really beautiful. Enjoy!

Thank you. They call them proofs, but no one really knows much of anything about them. My theory is that they were some type of retailer premium, maybe to put on a poster or something in the store to sell the chips. Others have different opinions.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Nice cards, congratulations.

Thanks! They are really something.

[Jay Wolt]

They look great w/ tough grades
I've had a few over the years & they would have graded higher back in the day.
Here's a beat-up 1.5 that I had

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Jay Wolt

They look great w/ tough grades
I've had a few over the years & they would have graded higher back in the day.
Here's a beat-up 1.5 that I had

Nice one! Haven't seen that one before. I've been looking at various graded examples across all of the TPG's. I don't see an actual checklist for these, but it could be fun to compile the "set".

[vthobby]

Absolutely beautiful. LOVE these! Thanks for sharing!

Wow!

Peace, Mike

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

A few months ago, I posted about 4 1909 Colgan’s Chips square proof cards that I came across in a personal collection of someone not connected to the hobby.

These cards are fairly rare I feel as the major grading companies have all graded so few of these. I finally sent them off to SGC (along with an 1896 Spalding H-818) and they just came back today.

All in all, I’m happy with the grades. SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.

Anyway, presented here for your enjoyment…

Those are great looking cards. They aren't proofs though.
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[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Those are great looking cards. They aren't proofs though.
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I agree, but that's what everyone seems to call them.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I agree, but that's what everyone seems to call them.

Everyone is wrong LOL....and that is rarely the case, actually.
They just don't have many characteristics of proofs. Sort of reminds me of the red and gold derby cigar cards that aren't.
.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Leon

Everyone is wrong LOL....and that is rarely the case, actually.
They just don't have many characteristics of proofs. Sort of reminds me of the red and gold derby cigar cards that aren't.
.

I believe they're clearly related to Colgan's, but I feel they were probably meant to go in a book, on a poster, etc. Perhaps something just for the retailer since there's nothing written on the back.

[chriskim]

It appears if grading company doesn't know much about certain cards and submitter keeps on pushing, then they would just grade them as "proof"?

[Kzoo]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

SGC said the Wagner showed evidence of trimming. It is slightly off center, but since no one really knows anything about them with any certainty, I’m not so sure that I agree with their conclusion.

I disagree, as well. SGC says a lot of cards are 'trimmed' these days, including in my experience lately. I've resubmitted to PSA for number grades with success.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Kzoo

I disagree, as well. SGC says a lot of cards are 'trimmed' these days, including in my experience lately. I've resubmitted to PSA for number grades with success.

Well, I'm kind of torn on this one now that I see the actual card again since its return.

There is a definite off-center issue, as well as a noticeable nick on the side.

I guess my concern with this one is more along the lines of, since no one has any solid info on them, do we know if they were hand-cut...or even how they were cut at all? If something was cut oddly by the manufacturer, isn't that different than "trimmed" by a recipient?

[Aaron Seefeldt]

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58190

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58190

I think it's a different, complete set related to the Colgan's chips also. As for it being from an early candy set. It could have been.
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[Rhotchkiss]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58190

Nice card….

I love when I acquire the only one known, and then another pops up!

Nice proofs, or whatever they are

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58190

That's impressive! Although mine is an A, that gives me an idea of a value range.

[jbsports33]

Great group! Thanks for sharing - Congrats

Jimmy

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Aaron Seefeldt

https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=58190

a little late to the party on this one but it's nice to know the story about these Fake Culligan man chips "Square Proofs" from people who have forgot more than I'll ever know about them.

Apparently, there are now "3" total across PSA & SGC. I can see another Fake Swamp find in the very near future uncovering 1000's of these things.

It's out "From the Dan Gantt collection" and "Into the FuddJcal collection" now at record prices like most crap I buy. Thanks again guys for sharing the story. I'm tickled to own it.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

a little late to the party on this one but it's nice to know the story about these Fake Culligan man chips "Square Proofs" from people who have forgot more than I'll ever know about them.

Apparently, there are now "3" total across PSA & SGC. I can see another Fake Swamp find in the very near future uncovering 1000's of these things.

It's out "From the Dan Gantt collection" and "Into the FuddJcal collection" now at record prices like most crap I buy. Thanks again guys for sharing the story. I'm tickled to own it.

I’m not sure I understand what you mean by fake.

[BuzzD]

Here is an Engle NYAL. Sure looks like it was hand cut

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by BuzzD

Here is an Engle NYAL. Sure looks like it was hand cut

I agree, definitely looks hand cut. My personal feeling on these is that they came in some format that allowed a retailer to affix them to some kind of poster or promotional sign in their stores in order to promote the chips by showing what players will be available in the tins. I think that’s why there’s no advertising on the back and some have been found with glue residue of some type on them. I also think these are fairly rare as evidenced by the various pop reports.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I’m not sure I understand what you mean by fake.

Just a fancy word I like to use when it's not exactly as it seems.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I agree, definitely looks hand cut. My personal feeling on these is that they came in some format that allowed a retailer to affix them to some kind of poster or promotional sign in their stores in order to promote the chips by showing what players will be available in the tins. I think that’s why there’s no advertising on the back and some have been found with glue residue of some type on them. I also think these are fairly rare as evidenced by the various pop reports.

That sounds plausible...

Thanks everyone for chiming in after the fact. Appreciate the responses resurrecting an old topic.