PSA - Grader Notes

[parkplace33]

This feature was talked about earlier this year, but it now looks like that Grader Notes will be included in PSA service levels Express or higher. PSA terms and conditions now reflect this:

https://www.psacard.com/termsandconditions

I am very excited about this new feature and what information the grader will provide. And of course, now that SGC is under CU, I hope SGC will also provide this feature in the future.

[Johnny630]

This is great news! Good Job PSA. Makes sense, especially in terms of marketing their higher-end service(Express and Up). People are gonna want to see the notes so they’re going to pay up for it. This is super smart even if they get fewer submissions but at the higher tier express levels, they still win with revenues.

Hopefully SGC follows.

[CardPadre]

Here's a link with a little more detail on it...

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...reater-clarity







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[Beercan collector]

Step in the right direction .
Cannot wait for a member to post their experience with this

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Step in the right direction .
Cannot wait for a member to post their experience with this

I am curious if any will. This only benefits the submitter, so they can choose to release or not.

I am also curious if PSA will maintain these notes in case of crack outs, resubmissions. An excellent use of case of AI in the future?

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by parkplace33

… This only benefits the submitter, so they can choose to release or not…

That’s disappointing. They should make these notes viewable on the cert verification site.

[slinger23]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Step in the right direction .
Cannot wait for a member to post their experience with this

Not as cool or useful as you would think. T206 card was graded PSA VG 3. So, based on that its usually creasing of some sorts or corner tip wear.

Grader notes: Wear on all four corners.

One More. 1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan. graded PSA NM 7.

Grader notes: Front corners.

That was it.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by slinger23

Not as cool or useful as you would think....1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan. graded PSA NM 7.

Grader notes: Front corners.

That was it.

What is a front corner? Any clues?

[parkplace33]

Originally Posted by slinger23

Not as cool or useful as you would think. T206 card was graded PSA VG 3. So, based on that its usually creasing of some sorts or corner tip wear.

Grader notes: Wear on all four corners.

One More. 1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan. graded PSA NM 7.

Grader notes: Front corners.

That was it.

That is anticlimactic.

[Zan]

Originally Posted by slinger23

Not as cool or useful as you would think. T206 card was graded PSA VG 3. So, based on that its usually creasing of some sorts or corner tip wear.

Grader notes: Wear on all four corners.

One More. 1986 Fleer #57 Michael Jordan. graded PSA NM 7.

Grader notes: Front corners.

That was it.

lol

[investinrookies]

I’m unclear on a card that comes back altered? Does that mean it’s still authentic but just has had some sort of alteration to it? Or can it be deemed altered and not be authentic?


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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

I’m unclear on a card that comes back altered? Does that mean it’s still authentic but just has had some sort of alteration to it? Or can it be deemed altered and not be authentic?

No, cards that PSA deems counterfeit cannot get authentic/altered slabs.

[investinrookies]

Originally Posted by swarmee

No, cards that PSA deems counterfeit cannot get authentic/altered slabs.

So this card came back labeled altered with “do not holder” below so your saying it’s authentic but altered?


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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

So this card came back labeled altered with “do not holder” below so your saying it’s authentic but altered?

Yes, if they were supposed to be grading the card. In order for an altered card to get slabbed, you have to notify them on the submission form that "IF CARD DOES NOT ACHIEVE NUMBER GRADE, PLEASE SLAB AS AUTHENTIC or AUTHENTIC ALTERED"

[tjisonline]

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to ignore (& refuse to improve their understanding of) technology for finding altered cards.

[TiffanyCards]

This should just be the beginning. When they rolled out images of cards, they also rolled it out slow before making it automatically included for all cards.

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to excuse these visible before/after changes as scanner settings, image cherry picking, or even image photoshopping.


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[Johnny630]

I would venture to say a good bit of AI (augmented grading) is being used by PSA during this process. So cool :-)

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Johnny630

I would venture to say a good bit of AI (augmented grading) is being used by PSA during this process. So cool :-)

I can assure you they are not.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

This should just be the beginning. When they rolled out images of cards, they also rolled it out slow before making it automatically included for all cards.

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to excuse these visible before/after changes as scanner settings, image cherry picking, or even image photoshopping.


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The reason you get criticized for posting comparisons of cards using drastically different scanner settings and pretend like those images are reflective of some sort of imaginary "work" that was done to the cards is because you literally do exactly that. Graders notes aren't going to help you.

Serious question for you though... Do you even own a single vintage card?

[TiffanyCards]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The reason you get criticized for posting comparisons of cards using drastically different scanner settings and pretend like those images are reflective of some sort of imaginary "work" that was done to the cards is because you literally do exactly that. Graders notes aren't going to help you.

Serious question for you though... Do you even own a single vintage card?

It would be interesting to be able to see the grader notes on this card. The images clearly show a stain on the top right in the before and there does not appear to be a stain on the after photo. Please note that the after photo was adjust by you to match the settings of the before and posted in a previous thread. Where did the stain go?? Either the stain never existed or it magically disappeared. If we had the graders notes, then we would have written evidence to support the visual evidence.

I’m surprised that PSA and others will use photo matching to authenticate items since, as you claim, photo matching is “reflective of some sort of imaginary work.” I’m also curious as to why PSA would develop photo matching technology, like Genamint, to help track and detect altered cards. It was also interesting that PSA deactivated Kurt’s Card Care submission after being presented with before and after photos.

It seems evident to me that using before and after images is a valid and reliable way to detect and determine if an alteration has been made on a card.

Yes, I own vintage cards.

I’m not here to argue or upset you. Therefore, this will be my only response to you on this thread. Take care.



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[Snowman]

Originally Posted by TiffanyCards

It would be interesting to be able to see the grader notes on this card. The images clearly show a stain on the top right in the before and there does not appear to be a stain on the after photo. Please note that the after photo was adjust by you to match the settings of the before and posted in a previous thread. Where did the stain go?? Either the stain never existed or it magically disappeared. If we had the graders notes, then we would have written evidence to support the visual evidence.

I’m surprised that PSA and others will use photo matching to authenticate items since, as you claim, photo matching is “reflective of some sort of imaginary work.” I’m also curious as to why PSA would develop photo matching technology, like Genamint, to help track and detect altered cards. It was also interesting that PSA deactivated Kurt’s Card Care submission after being presented with before and after photos.

It seems evident to me that using before and after images is a valid and reliable way to detect and determine if an alteration has been made on a card.

Yes, I own vintage cards.

I’m not here to argue or upset you. Therefore, this will be my only response to you on this thread. Take care.

Every opportunity you can get to post your bullshit in any thread you think PSA will read LOL. Never give up on your dreams! One day, they will care about you.

Perhaps worth noting (you clearly seem to have overlooked it) is the fact that despite PSA making an effort to clarify their "no grade/alterations" definitions, at no point anywhere in those definitions will you find anything at all about a card being soaked in water as being "altered". Why do you think that is? Oh, ya, BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLETELY STANDARD PRACTICE IN THIS HOBBY AND HAS BEEN FOR 100 YEARS. THEY ALLOW IT. Keep crying about it though.

[Leon]

Everyone has a right to their opinion. Try to remain calm.

If it's only water that is the cleaning solution, then, no the card shouldn't be graded only as AUT, assuming no other issues. Everyone knows that has been allowed forever. (by most hobbyists)

Originally Posted by Snowman

Every opportunity you can get to post your bullshit in any thread you think PSA will read LOL. Never give up on your dreams! One day, they will care about you.

Perhaps worth noting (you clearly seem to have overlooked it) is the fact that despite PSA making an effort to clarify their "no grade/alterations" definitions, at no point anywhere in those definitions will you find anything at all about a card being soaked in water as being "altered". Why do you think that is? Oh, ya, BECAUSE IT'S A COMPLETELY STANDARD PRACTICE IN THIS HOBBY AND HAS BEEN FOR 100 YEARS. THEY ALLOW IT. Keep crying about it though.

[jchcollins]

Fairly useless I would imagine if only the submitter can see the notes. What’s the point? I guess it’s naive to think that PSA would implement anything open that would benefit many collectors…


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[perezfan]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Fairly useless I would imagine if only the submitter can see the notes. What’s the point? I guess it’s naive to think that PSA would implement anything open that would benefit many collectors…


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Yes, they are in it for themselves.... not the collector. If that isn't clear by now, any further discussion is pointless.

There is absolutely no reason to make the "notes" visible only to the submitter. But hey... you still get the obscene wait times, the high prices, the erratic grading, the scrunched up baggies, diagonal cards within their slabs, and the lack of any meaningful customer service or communication.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by perezfan

There is absolutely no reason to make the "notes" visible only to the submitter.

Sad also it seems like the concept of “Grader Notes” is really more “whatever the hell the grader feels like putting” instead of a more formal grade report giving real reasons as to why the card graded what it did.


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