PSA - Grader Notes

[investinrookies]

Originally Posted by swarmee

No, cards that PSA deems counterfeit cannot get authentic/altered slabs.

So this card came back labeled altered with “do not holder” below so your saying it’s authentic but altered?


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[swarmee]

Originally Posted by investinrookies

So this card came back labeled altered with “do not holder” below so your saying it’s authentic but altered?

Yes, if they were supposed to be grading the card. In order for an altered card to get slabbed, you have to notify them on the submission form that "IF CARD DOES NOT ACHIEVE NUMBER GRADE, PLEASE SLAB AS AUTHENTIC or AUTHENTIC ALTERED"

[tjisonline]

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to ignore (& refuse to improve their understanding of) technology for finding altered cards.

[Leon]

+1 This AI technology might help with that a lot. I like the Notes...we'll see how it goes.

Originally Posted by tjisonline

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to ignore (& refuse to improve their understanding of) technology for finding altered cards.

[tjisonline]

Originally Posted by Leon

+1 This AI technology might help with that a lot. I like the Notes...we'll see how it goes.

1a) 100%. I am surprised that PSA's tech company purchase from a few year's back isn't being used.

1b) When I say, it isn't being used, it's an educated guess based on some recent PSA grading results (inconsistency). would love to see the internal grader notes if the 2 examples below
example 1 = a popular 60s topps card went from an undergraded "5" to "min size note met" to "6". all psa. another popular mid-60s card went from an undergraded "psa 6" to "psa 8" jeez. come on. these 2 cards were all recent subs also.

1c) i also think this tech can help us w/ trimmed cards in holders of all decades. so many high profile people in the hobby like to post higher grade vintage pc cards from their collection and honestly (in MY OPINION), a good 50% of them appear trimmed. it's a total joke. images can be digitally measured. side note: 90% of these cards i'm typing about are in older PSA cert slabs.

2. getting back to scanned images. we need some sort of standard. i bought a 33 goudey gehrig this yr. the auction house's scanned image and PSA differ greatly. when i saw both sets of pics initially, i thought it had paper loss in 2-3 areas. turns out, has none.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by tjisonline

My hope is that the notes will be better detailed. That way when images are compared that show the card to be altered, there will be notes that support the images. This should eliminate those that continue to ignore (& refuse to improve their understanding of) technology for finding altered cards.

The problem though is that they're still incompetent. I regularly find unaltered cards in authentic holders. The notes are useless when the grader is just plain wrong.

[Lucas00]

Originally Posted by Snowman

The problem though is that they're still incompetent. I regularly find unaltered cards in authentic holders. The notes are useless when the grader is just plain wrong.

I mean, you consider cleaning cards not an alteration so are the cards you're referring to cleaned and detected as altered?

Of course if you send in a cleaned card and it comes back as altered you would think the grade is plain wrong.

So it's confusing if your talking about truly untampered cards (like some hand cut/obscure cards psa will give an A because they do zero research) or just what you personally deem as unaltered.

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Lucas00

I mean, you consider cleaning cards not an alteration so are the cards you're referring to cleaned and detected as altered?

Of course if you send in a cleaned card and it comes back as altered you would think the grade is plain wrong.

So it's confusing if your talking about truly untampered cards (like some hand cut/obscure cards psa will give an A because they do zero research) or just what you personally deem as unaltered.

I'm talking about cards that are in Authentic Altered holders that were clearly graded by an amateur who had no clue what they were looking at. Cards that were immediately cracked out of the holders and sent directly back to the same grading company that deemed them to be "altered" before but now give them numeric grades. Cards that I did not even clean at all.