National Game Joe Jackson No Good?

[danmckee]

I don't think this is original guys, be careful

Corners are not right and picture is wrong tone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1913-WG5-NAT...item3f32526dcc


Dan Mckee

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I don't think this is original guys, be careful

Corners are not right and picture is wrong tone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1913-WG5-NAT...item3f32526dcc


Dan Mckee

Fake!!

[danmckee]

Yes I agree Greg, thanks

I was trying to beat around the bush

Maybe Leon can talk to the guys at Beckett about it

Dan

[bbsports]

Good call Dan. Most early cards graded by Beckett either come back altered or fake.


Bi.ll Brod.head

[Peter_Spaeth]

At that price he is in no danger of selling it anyhow.

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by bbsports

Good call Dan. Most early cards graded by Beckett either come back altered or fake.

What does this mean? That Beckett makes a mistake, or that it's easy to crack the Beckett slabs open and thus insert a fake or altered card? Or does it mean it's a fake slab altogether?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

What does this mean? That Beckett makes a mistake, or that it's easy to crack the Beckett slabs open and thus insert a fake or altered card? Or does it mean it's a fake slab altogether?

First of all if anyone wants to make a comment like that then they will have their name put out here. Secondly it means that Beckett probably made a mistake on this one. At least that is the way it looks to me too. As for their holders, they are almost impossible to crack so cracking and putting another card in is unlikely.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by pbspelly

What does this mean? That Beckett makes a mistake, or that it's easy to crack the Beckett slabs open and thus insert a fake or altered card? Or does it mean it's a fake slab altogether?

I think he was just trying to say that the folks at Beckett specialize in post war cards 1948 to date and are not quite as well versed as the other 2 major grading companies in the pre WWII arena.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

What makes it look fake?

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by I Only Smoke 4 the Cards

What makes it look fake?

I stated what makes it look fake, the color tone of the picture and the wrong angle of the corners.

Search ebay for WG5 National Game and you will see that this one sticks out like a sore thumb.

Dan Mckee

[Leon]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I stated what makes it look fake, the color tone of the picture and the wrong angle of the corners.

Search ebay for WG5 National Game and you will see that this one sticks out like a sore thumb.

Dan Mckee

Or I can search my collection (and the one on ebay)

[GehrigFan]

I alerted the Beckett guys. By the way, it is way off base to claim most early BVG cards are fake or altered. In reality, the vast majority are being bought up and regraded because they were graded a bit harshly. No one has handled more BVG cards than me. I don't say that to brag but to make a point that it was exceedingly rare to get a BVG card back for a problem. When they did, Beckett bought back every one.

[pbspelly]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

I alerted the Beckett guys. By the way, it is way off base to claim most early BVG cards are fake or altered. In reality, the vast majority are being bought up and regraded because they were graded a bit harshly. No one has handled more BVG cards than me. I don't say that to brag but to make a point that it was exceedingly rare to get a BVG card back for a problem. When they did, Beckett bought back every one.

This actually answers my question. It was the "come back" part of the statement "Most early cards graded by Beckett either come back altered or fake" that confused me. I didn't realize that people were getting Beckett-graded cards regraded.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

I alerted the Beckett guys. By the way, it is way off base to claim most early BVG cards are fake or altered. In reality, the vast majority are being bought up and regraded because they were graded a bit harshly. No one has handled more BVG cards than me. I don't say that to brag but to make a point that it was exceedingly rare to get a BVG card back for a problem. When they did, Beckett bought back every one.

+1

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by GehrigFan

I alerted the Beckett guys. By the way, it is way off base to claim most early BVG cards are fake or altered. In reality, the vast majority are being bought up and regraded because they were graded a bit harshly. No one has handled more BVG cards than me. I don't say that to brag but to make a point that it was exceedingly rare to get a BVG card back for a problem. When they did, Beckett bought back every one.

So you are saying the BVG 1951 Bowman 8.5 Mantle on ebay right now and the 1954 BVG 7.5 Aaron on ebay right now are actually harshly graded or even remotely an easy PSA or SGC crossover. Really? Seriously?

[Sean1125]

I just had a situation with Beckett where I purchased a T206 O'Hara St Louis BVG 6. The card was fake and it took them over 3 months to give me a refund. They refused to refund any costs incurred from purchasing the card (show/regrade where I was told it was NG, etc). All in all because of their mistake I am out over $1500. I will NEVER purchase another beckett card after that one. They strung me out for 3 months and I was forced to get my attorney involved for resolution.

Edit to add: I 101% agree with Peter's statement one post earlier.

[bbeck]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I just had a situation with Beckett where I purchased a T206 O'Hara St Louis BVG 6. The card was fake and it took them over 3 months to give me a refund. They refused to refund any costs incurred from purchasing the card (show/regrade where I was told it was NG, etc). All in all because of their mistake I am out over $1500. I will NEVER purchase another beckett card after that one. They strung me out for 3 months and I was forced to get my attorney involved for resolution.

Edit to add: I 101% agree with Peter's statement one post earlier.

Sean- I bet it was not an older holder, otherwise it would have converted to an easy PSA 6 or higher. Wait, I could be overgeneralizing, make that a PSA 5 or higher to be on the conservative side. Sorry for your experience with that company.

[I Only Smoke 4 the Cards]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I just had a situation with Beckett where I purchased a T206 O'Hara St Louis BVG 6. The card was fake and it took them over 3 months to give me a refund. They refused to refund any costs incurred from purchasing the card (show/regrade where I was told it was NG, etc). All in all because of their mistake I am out over $1500. I will NEVER purchase another beckett card after that one. They strung me out for 3 months and I was forced to get my attorney involved for resolution.

Edit to add: I 101% agree with Peter's statement one post earlier.

What was the reason for not refunding all of the cost?

[ezez420]

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[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by ezez420

Sean, seems like you were planning on taking someone over the coals with the O'Hara. $1500 on a card that sells for over $10000. Sometimes those deals are too good to be true.


Ed DeS.erio

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huh?????? I paid 9k~ for the card I am OUT 1500 due to my flight, hotel, and re grade as I don't mail cards like that.. and beckett wouldn't refund any 'unauthorized' costs on a card. This is UP AND ABOVE the 8870 or whatever it was for the card

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

huh?????? I paid 9k~ for the card I am OUT 1500 due to my flight, hotel, and re grade as I don't mail cards like that.. and beckett wouldn't refund any 'unauthorized' costs on a card. This is UP AND ABOVE the 8870 or whatever it was for the card

Not mailing a card like that isn't the grading companies issue. I wouldn't refund you either for your incidentals. If you need some help on how to ship expensive items give me a call. I will tell you about registered mail and insurance. They work well.

[Rich Klein]

Sean

Were you uncomfortable with mailing in that card and thus wanted to hand deliver to ensure nothing happened to the card before it reached the Beckett office?

Rich

[Sean1125]

It's not that I am uncomfortable ai ship plenty of high dollar packages. I typically fly out to shows to re grade, review etc when I have quite a few cards this particular show happened to be 3 with the ohara being half the value of 3. Even if they didn't do the flight and hotel they refused 100% to refund the grading fees (250) incurred for me to know it was NG. I refused to sign their NDA because of it hence why I can talk about it... sorry for bad grammar working from phone for the past 5 days LOL...

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

Sean

Were you uncomfortable with mailing in that card and thus wanted to hand deliver to ensure nothing happened to the card before it reached the Beckett office?

Rich

[slidekellyslide]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not mailing a card like that isn't the grading companies issue. I wouldn't refund you either for your incidentals. If you need some help on how to ship expensive items give me a call. I will tell you about registered mail and insurance. They work well.

Last week I mailed a $2800 vintage knife registered priority mail that was supposed to take two days to deliver, we are now on day 6 and it has not been delivered...as of yesterday it showed that it was in Chicago, but they could not tell me where it actually was. The buyer also tried to track it down yesterday with no luck...Today it is showing as "out for delivery"...In Vermont. I don't think there is any excuse for the Post Office to treat registered mail this way.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

Last week I mailed a $2800 vintage knife registered priority mail that was supposed to take two days to deliver, we are now on day 6 and it has not been delivered...as of yesterday it showed that it was in Chicago, but they could not tell me where it actually was. The buyer also tried to track it down yesterday with no luck...Today it is showing as "out for delivery"...In Vermont. I don't think there is any excuse for the Post Office to treat registered mail this way.

Every registered package I've sent or received has been like this; tracking only shows accepted and no interim stops. But it always gets delivered, it does usually take up to 7 or 8 business days. It is the safest and most secure way to ship by far. I've never heard of a registered package getting lost, although I'm sure it's happened. I would assume anyone receiving registered mail would expect a delay.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Leon

Not mailing a card like that isn't the grading companies issue. I wouldn't refund you either for your incidentals. If you need some help on how to ship expensive items give me a call. I will tell you about registered mail and insurance. They work well.

+ 1, mailed all sorts of cards T206 Planks, BL460s etc. etc. etc.

Not cheap you're going to pay 200-500$ bucks to ship an insure for overnight delivery but that has to be cheaper than airfare, hotel and time on the road.......I too would not expect the TPG to refund me for that.

Cheers,

John

[Peter_Spaeth]

The odds of anything going wrong with a registered mail shipment (except perhaps a slight delay) are infinitesimally small, in my opinion.