T206 Joe Tinker PSA 4 UZIT Back value?

[sportscollector]

whats this card worth?

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[Cardboard Junkie]

Any Uzit is, of course, a big time score. And Tinker would be ultra cool. I think if it is the portrait it would bring more than the other poses. And a psa4..well into 5 digits I think. Dave

[bigfish]

Post a scan.

[sportscollector]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

Any Uzit is, of course, a big time score. And Tinker would be ultra cool. I think if it is the portrait it would bring more than the other poses. And a psa4..well into 5 digits I think. Dave

its not the portrait its Tinker batting you really think its worth more then $10,000? I was thinking $2500 to $5,000

[Sean]

An Uzit PSA 4 on the back of a HOF? I would say at least $8,000, and probably over 10K. I would like to see the scan, though.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Sean

An Uzit PSA 4 on the back of a HOF? I would say at least $8,000, and probably over 10K. I would like to see the scan, though.

+1
Great minds think alike.Dave ps a 4 is pretty high grade to me, and with a UZIT back!

[sportscollector]

scans added

[Tao_Moko]

It has a lot going for it:

1) UZIT
2) Nice Condition
3) HOFer
4) Cub
5) Hall of Fame Cub in nice condition w/ an Uzit back!!

I hope you own this card are have the ability to get it. At one time I was working on a Cubs master set of all back types and this would have been a holy grail. You just need to find one of the gazillion T206 Cubs guys that is also working on the back variations and this card is easily worth $10,000 if you get a few fighting over it.

[sportscollector]

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had no idea it was worth that much. This card is now one of my most valuable cards I own. I have it listed in the BST forum should I list it on ebay? or consign it to a auction house?

[DerekMichael]

Seems to me that if you put it in the correct auction house, 5 digits would certainly be possible.

Big time card!!!

[sportscollector]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

It has a lot going for it:

1) UZIT
2) Nice Condition
3) HOFer
4) Cub
5) Hall of Fame Cub in nice condition w/ an Uzit back!!

I hope you own this card are have the ability to get it. At one time I was working on a Cubs master set of all back types and this would have been a holy grail. You just need to find one of the gazillion T206 Cubs guys that is also working on the back variations and this card is easily worth $10,000 if you get a few fighting over it.

yes I own the card are you interested in it?

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by sportscollector

yes I own the card are you interested in it?

John,

I'll pm you to maintain the integrity of this thread so it doesn't turn into a b/s/t post.

*I see you posted it on b/s/t for offers. Nice bait job here on the forum side.

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by sportscollector

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! I had no idea it was worth that much. This card is now one of my most valuable cards I own. I have it listed in the BST forum should I list it on ebay? or consign it to a auction house?

How in the HECK does one just come up with something like this and not have a clue what it's worth?! LOL Why can't I "stumble" across stuff like this??

[sportscollector]

honestly my collection is so big I actually forgot about the card for awhile had no idea its worth so much

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by sportscollector

honestly my collection is so big I actually forgot about the card for awhile had no idea its worth so much

Yet another problem I wish I had!

[cfc1909]

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2006/141.html

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

Seems to me that if you put it in the correct auction house, 5 digits would certainly be possible.

Big time card!!!

I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

http://www.robertedwardauctions.com/.../2006/141.html

Hmmm.......interesting......it's the same card

Something seems a little off here.....

[DerekMichael]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

You are probably right. It just seems like Bill Goodwin has a knack for getting awesome prices on these types of cards.

[sportscollector]

well I bought the card in 2007 or early 2008 on ebay I forgot what I paid for it then I for got about it as I was busy putting together my 52 topps set. I thought I had gotten it graded but I guess I bought it graded already.

[jcmtiger]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Hmmm.......interesting......it's the same card

Something seems a little off here.....

Well the Edwards auction was 7 years ago wasn't it?
Joe

[nsaddict]

With selling this card, you can buy a bunch of 80's rack packs that match the year on the box Sorry couldn't resist.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

I think 5 digits is quite a stretch. A psa 2 or 3 Hughie Jennings (HOFer) with a UZIT back just sold for like $2,000 on Ebay two months ago. I would say 4-6K is reallistically what this would fetch at an auction house.

+1

[sportscollector]

Originally Posted by nsaddict

With selling this card, you can buy a bunch of 80's rack packs that match the year on the box Sorry couldn't resist.

lol lol that was a good one lolol.

[sportscollector]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

+1

yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by sportscollector

yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

Not really, it was a PSA 2 or 3 can't quite remember exactly but I was watching it very closely. The card was actually pretty nice for the grade, sold for a little over 2K. I think you could be thinking of another.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by jcmtiger

Well the Edwards auction was 7 years ago wasn't it?
Joe

In this lovely internet era, every step of the way for most cards is easily traced and sale prices are easily produced. There's always an eTrail to follow dating back to the late 90's

[Tao_Moko]

Are there examples beyond the Jennings that support a value of only a few thousand dollars for HOFers in a 2-4 grade range? I would be surprised to see the card in this thread go for 4-6k at auction but I've been out of the back craze for a few years so maybe I'm off. The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

[DerekMichael]

Originally Posted by sportscollector

yeah but that Jennings was really beat up

I am now the owner of the Jennings you are referring to, and it is in no way "really beat up".

[DerekMichael]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Are there examples beyond the Jennings that support a value of only a few thousand dollars for HOFers in a 2-4 grade range? I would be surprised to see the card in this thread go for 4-6k at auction but I've been out of the back craze for a few years so maybe I'm off. The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

A Sam Crawford SGC 40 3 went on Ebay for $4200 a couple of months ago. It was BIN, and went within 20-30 minutes of the card being listed. It was a very good looking card.

I figured Tinker would be a bigger seller than Crawford, but I may be wrong. What is your opinion?

[sportscollector]

maybe it was another one I was thinking of that sold awhile back maybe it was not Jennings but I think I remember a really beat uzit that sold on ebay a long time ago that was beat up maybe I got the two confused

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I am now the owner of the Jennings you are referring to, and it is in no way "really beat up".

Thanks for chimming in Derek, it was a really nice card for the grade! I was so close to bidding, but got side tracked by another card at that same time. Very nice pick up

[sportscollector]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Not really, it was a PSA 2 or 3 can't quite remember exactly but I was watching it very closely. The card was actually pretty nice for the grade, sold for a little over 2K. I think you could be thinking of another.

I think you are right it was not the Jennings

[DerekMichael]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Thanks for chimming in Derek, it was a really nice card for the grade! I was so close to bidding, but got side tracked by another card at that same time. Very nice pick up

Thank you for the kind words. The last time I saw the card was in REA, and I knew then I really wanted it, but at the time it was not within my budget. Do not get me wrong, $2100 is currently a bit steep for me, but I am very happy to have added this one to my very modest collection.

I think it is a solid card, though it does have a light crease which does not really show up in the scans.

I have seen at least 4 of this front/ back combo over the years, and I am certain there are more out there, so it is not necessarily a rare Uzit. However, it is one of my favorite images, so my Dad and I were excited to add this one to our collection.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

The other question to ask ourselves is how much is it worth if we owned it.

The same exact price that has been quoted for the OP....It is what it is. Everybody overvalues their cards.....until reality sets in and if you wanna actually sell it, you have to price accordingly or send it to auction and hope some sucker with a little jing in his pocket goes over his head and overpays because he "needs it". Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. It's a 4-6K card on a normal day.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

Thank you for the kind words. The last time I saw the card was in REA, and I knew then I really wanted it, but at the time it was not within my budget. Do not get me wrong, $2100 is currently a bit steep for me, but I am very happy to have added this one to my very modest collection.

I think it is a solid card, though it does have a light crease which does not really show up in the scans.

I have seen at least 4 of this front/ back combo over the years, and I am certain there are more out there, so it is not necessarily a rare Uzit. However, it is one of my favorite images, so my Dad and I were excited to add this one to our collection.

You guys should be proud, it's an amazing card that's for sure. Defintitely a keeper! I also love that "arms raised" image....timeless.

[Tao_Moko]

Originally Posted by DerekMichael

A Sam Crawford SGC 40 3 went on Ebay for $4200 a couple of months ago. It was BIN, and went within 20-30 minutes of the card being listed. It was a very good looking card.

I figured Tinker would be a bigger seller than Crawford, but I may be wrong. What is your opinion?

Tinker is more desirable and there are enough Chicago collectors that it should go higher than Crawford. If it were his portrait then I don't know that we'd be having this discussion. Will it get $10k on bst with a motivated seller? I doubt it.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Tao_Moko

Will it get $10k on bst with a motivated seller? I doubt it.

Not right now it wouldn't, lol. I've had this discussion with a lot of members here trying to sell right now. Seems like many people are having a rough go of it right now in the BST sections. Too many members saving their money right now for REA and the National coming up. This is probably the worst time to have cards listed for sale right now. There's a lot of great deals on cards in BST section right now and they're just barely moving at all. A lot of us were contemplating pulling the listings and waiting until after the National.

[MVSNYC]

HOF rare backs are hit or miss. I've seen some that you'd expect to go for a ton, sell low, and vice versa. 2 months ago I bought a clean PSA 1.5 McGraw Lenox back for only 1300. That is just slightly above a common price for that back. I've been told by Scot R that his back multiplier chart is just for commons, not HOFers. I believe it was also he who said his guess for HOFers would be about 1/2 of the common multiplier, maybe he could jump in here and explain why. But from my perspective I'd much rather have a common rare back and not pay any premium for a HOFer on the front. I think many back collectors would agree.

There's several tiers of HOFers, Tinker being on the lower end.

[becollie]

To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by becollie

To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

As someone who has collected "backs", and not necessarily only T206, for the past 17 yrs I don't think the craze is going away soon. I love to collect the backs.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by becollie

To each their own, but this back craze cracks me up. It is almost as if people are evolving to collecting tobacco advertising cards vs. baseball cards. Is this sustainable? Feels like a risky time to be buying into the craze right now. I would personally much rather have a T3 SGC 20 Johnson than a Lenox advertisement.

Again, not knocking what people like, just fascinated by the prices I've been seeing.

I too am skeptical of just how much longer it will last. Even though I do also like to collect the rarer backs, I don't do it just for the back alone. If I'm going to buy a card of a rarer back, I want it to either be a player I'm interested in or a particular pose that I enjoy. It's gotta be the right combo for me to drop my money.

[ullmandds]

Backs collecting...in general...isn't going to go away...BUT...the crazy...overinflated prices eventually will!!!!! It is a BUBBLE...and all bubble's eventually burst!!!!

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Backs collecting...in general...isn't going to go away...BUT...the crazy...overinflated prices eventually will!!!!! It is a BUBBLE...and all bubble's eventually burst!!!!

Very true, just like the E card bubble a few years back. Many, many collectors got their asses burnt by way overpaying......now they're stuck and hoping for another HUGE upswing in E card collecting some day down the road.

[ullmandds]

agreed...def similar to the e bubble!!!!

[edhans]

Great card, but I'm surprised that after 44 replies, no one mentioned that it's overgraded. Should be a 2.5 at best due to the crease on the lower left.

[ullmandds]

ed...that's a given...it's a psa holder, duh!!!!!

[Zone91]

I like the idea of collecting rare T206 backs but at this price I would rather own a E90-1 Shoeless Joe Jackson rookie card or a 1933 Goudey Lajoie #106 or a high grade 51 Bowman Mickey Mantle rookie card. I understand the importance of this card but when actually taking this amount of ones bank account I could not do it.

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[edhans]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

ed...that's a given...it's a psa holder, duh!!!!!

Indeed; how thoughtless of me.

[DerekMichael]

For me personally, I have fallen deeply in love with these T206 backs.

When my Dad and I first started collecting T206, we accumulated a very nice group of HOF, but with common backs. While it was fantastic, it was not challenging, whatsoever (unless you go for 7's and 8's, which is not my thing).

We have slowly begun collecting tougher backs, with HOF as much as possible, and we do not plan on changing our direction any time soon. We love these tough backs and will continue to go after them.

As a collector, I would LOVE to see prices come down!!!! But so far, it has only gotten more and more expensive to be in this rare backs game.

No regrets, however.

I dig the Uzit Tinker. Sweet combination!